my thoughts on abductions

im a big believer in ufos and alien life but as far as abductions goes i really dont buy them. i think in all abduction cases MAYBE 5% are real the rest are either people dreaming or lieing for attention. i dont think these "implants" people find in them are just things they have poked themselves with and didnt know or forgat about. things like that can move through the body over time.

the worse thing about studying ufos are all the hoaxers, they really hurt the info we get.

I have followed abduction events and reports for a long time. I am not qualified to render opinions based upon scientific explanations. I have however read Intruders by Budd Hopkins and also studied past lives therapy. ( there is a university in Canada that specialises in hynotic regression and the results have been outstanding. People speaking languages that they did not know, places and event discribed that they could not possibly know because it was before their birth.) This university and some of the cases were made into a documentary. I will find the link and post it here in a new post.

The point I am trying to make here is that I do not think that with all of the different cases that have been properly researched, that everyone is suffering from mass hallucination or psychotic episodes.

I believe that the preponderance of the evidence shows that events are happening and we should investigate them all and verify as much information as humanly possible. For all of you who have been part of this I empathize with you. I have missing time in my past and it was explained to me as driving fatigue.

fheargus wrote:

im a big believer in ufos and alien life but as far as abductions goes i really dont buy them. i think in all abduction cases MAYBE 5% are real the rest are either people dreaming or lieing for attention. i dont think these "implants" people find in them are just things they have poked themselves with and didnt know or forgat about. things like that can move through the body over time.

the worse thing about studying ufos are all the hoaxers, they really hurt the info we get.

Fheargus,

This is a common assertion which I read over and over: "MAYBE 5% are real the rest are either people dreaming or lieing for attention.."

The same type of comment is made about UFO sightings, to paraphrase: "most UFO sightings (the figure used is usually well over 90%) are mistaken reports of ordinary or mundane objects."

My question: how the hell does anybody know this? Where are the "facts" which support these assumptions?

My guess is there are none.

I think these assertions are arbitrary and have no relationship with any actual data or reports. They are simply symptoms of the intellectually uncertain, walking onto heretical ground where the status quo dare not tread, desperately trying to hedge their bets. This gives them a way to easily deny the whole thing by saying, "see I always said most of it was lies!"

After all, they don't want to look like "starry-eyed" believers. They do not want to taint themselves with the intellectual cooties that cling so tenaciously to all and sundry ignorant hayseeds who actually claim to see "strange stuff". Even such a rational giant as Steven Hawking assures us that UFOs are only reported by "cranks and weirdos".

http://ufomagazine.squarespace.com/ufo-magazine/2009/3/18/super-intelligent-idiocy.html

Clearly the "strangeness" of the "stuff" reported means that those reporting it must be delusional, ignorant, mistaken, too inept to tell a star from something odd flying through the sky, or only out to seek fortune and fame (even while wishing to remain anonymous, more often than not).

Are their people who are mistaken about what they saw or reported? Are there "hoaxers" playing mischievous tricks on the innocent just to get a "rise" out of people? Are there starry-eyed nincompoops who can't tell the difference between a star, or an airplane and something unearthly?

Sure there are. But does that figure reach 95% of all reports?

I seriously doubt it. But as long as you believe that, you can always point to your prior assertions to indicate that "you were not duped". Then, when the evidence comes in (as the bettors believe it just might) that all UFOs and abductions were just a steaming load of crap fabricated by thousands upon thousands of hoaxers and delusional folks....

http://ufomagazine.squarespace.com/ufo-magazine/2009/12/14/putting-the-bs-in-belief-systems.html

You can say, Whew!! Dodged that bullet!

Oh yeah, people do get "abducted". I think the phenomenon might require us to re-define the meaning of the word "abduction". But yeah, people do have these interactions with other beings from somewhere outside our normal waking reality. People have been having similar encounters (which were understood in different terms than our current "aliens from outer space" paradigm) since the beginning of recorded history. If some of those cave paintings are what they appear to be, we can also add long before recorded history to that list.

But stuff does happen. Whether we believe 5% or 95% of that stuff says more about us than it does about the phenomenon itself.

So, my question is this: why would 95% of people want to lie to us about this stuff?

Mike

There are two types of abductions to deal with: nuts and bolts extraterrestrials and ethereal visits to other planes of existence (multiple universes etc). There are so many extremely good abduction cases that have much evidence to back them up in the nuts and bolts cases. There are also many of the other types of abductions of people who have no reason to lie about it.

The idea of sorting out which is which is a good one. It is easier in the nuts and bolts cases than it is in the multiple dimension theory. The question is, how do we sort out the second more complex type of abduction?

onlychild wrote:

I wouldn't use the word lie, although I believe "some" do. Since the data doesn't mesh (if it did we would KNOW what was going on) I am more inclined to say - confused. The bottom line is that if these episodes were all real we would not be having this discussion. It's been 67 years and we don't know anything; we like to think we do, but we don't.

You hit the nail on the head here. We do not know what is happening when it comes to alien abductions. There are some excellent cases out there, such as the Hill case that suggests an extraterrestrial abduction took place (physical evidence, radar tracking of an unknown in the area at the time of the abduction by Pease AFB).

For the others, there needs to be a way to clarify what is an abduction, a sleep/mental disorder, fantasy or what ever the case may be. One thing is sure, the people BELIEVE something is happening to them. Proving something actually is is another story.

onlychild wrote:

Gigas wrote:

Aliens are ....

Hi Gigas

my question would be: How do you know this?

Experience, involvement, observation and pieceing the global puzzle together. Nothing comes easy. Especially the hidden. No matter how bizarre the story, in there is a slice of truth whether it is a fabrication or fact. One only has to know what it is one is looking at beneath the neural rubble to find the hidden.

I believe there is more than one civilization visiting us.
Some are from a different planet in a parallel universe
some are from somewhere in our galaxy
some of them are humans from the future
They are here for different reasons.

A few years ago a scientist named Pressinger or something like that, did some research regarding the phenomena;
His findings were that under conditions of high EMF, humans have a series of shared experiences- sleep paralyisis followed by feelings of a foreboding presence in the room.
Some abductions are due to EMFs (electromagnetic fields)
some are mental illness- ie schizophrenia, delusional disorder, temporal lobe epilepsy etc...
some are legit and leave evidence- Dr.Roger Leir
Barney and Betty Hill.
that's my take.
Jack.

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My information covers the last 40,000 years (with an anomaly that goes back roughly 200,000+ years). When you say "global puzzle", just how far back do YOU go?

You are expertly text book trained where as I find the information from the minds ability to touch the hidden. Its not how far back can you reference text book smoke and mirror institutional learning, rather its how much of what your eyes tell your mind can be filtered by the inner thought connection to forensicaly slip into the hidden which is what I call the collective of infinitely indexed knowledge from which our civilization of the illusion is drawn from and built upon. The very sophistication of it all comes from the minds projected compulation of the before knowledge into the next epochs sequel.

I have to admit this little neural infraction. I was a terrible student all through school. Ya, I got all F's and D's with a C thrown in once in awhile for the world to see I had an interest in some text book dribble. I did hang in there till 12th grade and graduated bottom of the class.

To this day, I read very little and most of what I write now, and will later on, comes from another matter of fact.

onlychild wrote:

Gigas wrote:

onlychild wrote:

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The problem is that people who have never been challenged before take exception to being challenged

I don't take exception to a challenge when I weigh in with experience that has been debated many times before. That, I would say is debunker speak to acquit their agenda showing themselves wantingly in control of the situation. Since I continue to participate, I remain in the game.

I wasn't speaking of you per se, I was speaking in general. I await your explanation - batter up

Well now, we seem to be getting somewhere. Let me tell you a little something. You show traits deeply rooted in materialism. Don't become alarmed my friend. That only reflects the insecurities of the possibility there's another reality hidden from your neural synaptics which only accepts the material side of life even though something else is going on along side it all.

onlychild wrote:

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Why, it's a valid question. Everything in my life has led me to this exact spot ... who do you blame, those who brought me here, or me for making the journey?

Your thoughts are of one who is troubled. Why would there be a source of blame at this time in your life. Would it not be better to accept what you have as an awareness for you and yours to work out a solution to that which you feel you know.