Some thoughts on aliens

Onlychild, you may have already explained this in previous posts but there's a lot of stuff on here so I prefer to just ask and excuse me if I'm asking you to repeat yourself. I'm confused...where do you say you are getting your information that you say you were "told"? Did you ever have physical contact with an alien entity? Are you saying your information is given to you during your dream state? If so, did "they" tell you they were aliens giving you the information? Or do you think your information is coming from something "other"?

I know people have said all of those things have happened to them but I'm trying to figure out if one or none is what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying? I realize not everyone here wants to provide personal experience details so if you decline to be more specific that's fine too.

metoo

onlychild, thank you for the information. If you were communicating with or even just receiving communication from anyone then you were "told" something. I didn't mean to suggest that you were given any "answers" or any "revelations".

[quote="metoo"]I came on this site because I have some thoughts about aliens, abductions etc. I've been looking into the subject for over 20 years but haven't really discussed it much with others. So I wonder what others think about some of my thoughts and would welcome constructive comments.

Is it possible that aliens DO NOT have earth people's best interest in mind at all and that those who have recieved messages that they are here to "help" us or to ease us through a transition period or something along those lines have been brainwashed? Since aliens can supposedly abduct earthlings and manipulate them to allow abductions, relax them to do physical exams (often described as painful), persuade them to forget all about the events involving them etc why can't they be making us think that they are benevolent?

I keep thinking about how Europeans came to the Americas and claimed to be controlling the natives for their own good. Purporting to be civilizing the "savages" and converting them to the "true" god, etc. Europeans proceeded to kill natives in droves, purposely gave then diseases like smallpox and syphilis, did their best to wipe out all history and native customs, stole anything of value they could get their hands on etc. Is it possible aliens are doing the same thing with us as we are considered savages compared to them?

Please understand I am not stating a fact here. I am wondering about possibilities. Most abductions are described as unpleasant at the very least and IF aliens are friendly why don't they come to us and ask permission to examine us, take us aboard their craft, etc??

Another question I have wondered about is are the aliens in fact, from another planet somewhere in the universe? Or do you think they are possibly from another dimension? Or is it possible they are actually "us" but from our future when things have gone not so well? I certainly don't know but I wonder what others might think. Or are there other possiblities?

Anyone want to discuss? [/quote

Sure. There could be different species and races or nations within the species abducting and experimenting on humans for one reason or another. There could be some groups that have their own sets of ethics and procedures who make the extra effort to return the subjects when honestly they don't have to. There are organizations that do experiments etc. without concern for the human subjects. They harvest organs etc. and discard the rubbish. There could be regulations enforced by an intergalactic police body, and some of these entities are illegal poaching humans and experimenting on us and harvesting body parts for selfish purposes involving selling them on the intergalactic black market or private zoo's or alien fetishist whom think its kinky to get down with earth men or woman. The fortunate cases are the ones that are returned and not the ones that are scooped up and pulled apart like antz and then the remains are just shot into space or dare I say... gulp used to fuel their space craft as an energy source. There are a lot of unknowns and unknown unknowns conerning the reasons why.

But don't lump alien beings into a single group and a single agenda. It is possible the only reason that specimens are returned are not because they are benevolent but because regulations have been placed on the abductors by their own society or a race or groups of races.

Other wise they could just scoop up specimens from our rock and breed them on a planetary system closer to home unless of course they pulled specimens from another place and breaded us here.

Just like their are good and bad people there are good and bad aliens with personal selfish agendas. If one exist so does the other.

Also they have been here for a while and if they intended to take over they could have done it already instead of waiting for us to advance. Seriously things could have been as simple as some teenage aliens were driving around looking for some tail. They came upon earth thought the females of the species were sexy and decided to come on down and get busy and have some fun. Then the authorities discovered them and their off spring and decided to flood the planet with water to kill the little mistakes...

who knows. Simply keep an open mind

onlychild wrote:

metoo wrote:

I'm confused...where do you say you are getting your information that you say you were "told"?

I'll just simplify this:
It began in 1955 ... I had a "lit-up" bedroom experience and about 5 skinny small - ? - entered my room during the middle of the night. There wasn't enough light on the far side of my room to get a description more accurate than that, and it would be just over 35 years before I ever read that this had happened to others.

When they started to move my way, I ducked under the covers, and stayed there. Nothing that I know of happened. I took a peek after awhile and the room was still lit-up. I figured they were at the foot of the bed and there was no way I was going to look. I did - fall asleep? - but woke up again in the same position, took a peek, and the room was dark.

The next morning when I was getting dressed for school, a strong thought just ran through my head: The Catholic Church is wrong. You can make what you want of that, but after all of these years I now know what it means.
I ran into something in notes I have that said there were more lit-up bedroom events, but I don't remember them. For some reason I also cannot explain, in my teen years I knew there was a study coming I had to do. All I knew was it connected to the New Testament and what went on that night - but I had no clue how to do anything like that.

This study began in 1973, I had NO idea what I was even looking for, but by 1980 I caught my first glimpse of a problem with the text and interpretation. Things went on s l o w l y from there and I was getting bored with it all, mostly because I had no idea what I was looking for.

It wasn't until ... I think 1991 ... when I woke up one morning with a single line pounding in my head: The Alien Connection. OK, what was THAT supposed to mean? I didn't even know there WAS a subject on aliens - turns out there was.

The idea is that this is the way my entire life has run since I was 5. Hints - follow the hints - more hints - follow that ... etc. I have never been TOLD anything ... it's like - "Can he figure this out?" Why should I have to? But that has been the game, and I stuck it out for 55 years because, if nothing else, I was curious where this was all going. In 1989 I had said to myself that I didn't want to be 80 and wonder what it would have been like if I had stuck to it - so I just kept going.

You can make of this whatever you want ... I believe that if someone has something to say, they should just say it. Seems not in this case.

The catholic church is wrong and they sort of make up things as they go along to suit their situation. If Hitler didn't go insane and the Nazi party conquered europe and then eventually America then they would be supporting then and their brand of theology to save their own skins.

Plus it was an organization instituted by the Romans... Forgot which emperor I think it was constantine. Before it's existence they persecuted christians. They also had a habit of assimilating cultures it conquered so roman practices are a mixture of paganism as well as fear mongering of the less educated and poor into putting more money into the orginization.

knives52 wrote:

The catholic church is wrong and they sort of make up things as they go along to suit their situation.

Yeah but that's not the point. The story (salvation from above at the time of "doom") was our story, except the main character was changed. The "woman" never had a son or a mate / husband / whatever. The child replaced the woman because of the doctrinal commotion 3000+ years earlier. Paul was using the wrong version of the right story.

Yes answers!
O.C. gave me mine........ simply by giving me a "truth" one so obvious one that I recognised it at once.
Let us dicuss the scientific approach. The one that will provide the truth.
The videos must be verifiable as an acutal sighting. I.E. one reported to the (laughable) press.
The one in California was described as a air craft contrail/rocket. it was reported that there were no aircraft in the area.
No missles had been fired. Yet, there it was. Having taken it appart pixel by pixel, I may say that there was indeed some thing in the sky
But with out a high def zoom to work with I can't tell you what it was. One of the things that was for sure, it was subsonic. There was no pressure wave comming off of the pixel. There was no associated sonic boom. Based on those two facts we can safely decide that there was some thing there. One more intresting questions is this. Was this object acelerating or decelerating? It looked to me to be decelerating.
The flight path by the way coinsides with the shuttle returning to earth. The shuttle however would still be well above the speed of sound.
Here is a another question for you. If this object were to arrive at say, Area 51, would it start to decelerate from a point furthur to the west of the shuttles reentry path?

Davefair

I thought I would stick this in here ... it's notes I just took from a documentary on the Clovis Culture Event, 11,000 years ago according to this. This was the event where the Clovis culture had no connection to the Goddess / sign of life.

The Clovis Culture Event
Notes from: Comet Storm documentary, 2008

13,000 years ago (11,000 BC) it is in the geologic record.

Raging inferno stretching 300 miles.

Equal to 10,000 Hiroshima’s.

Entire continent swallowed by a cloud of dust.

Killed off nearly all life on the continent.

End of the world scenario for those people.

Comet 3 miles wide – airburst – 20 million megatons.

Larger than simultaneous blast of all nukes in history.

Wildfires from Atlantic to Pacific.

Soot, ash, smoke, comet debris.

Superheated atmosphere.

People, animals suffocate where they stand, the rest starve.

Clovis culture ceases to exist.

Nowhere else on the planet.

A century before new people arrive.

Winds, hundreds of MPH, spread fires.

Dust cloud blanketed the country, 3.8 million square miles.

Global cooling.

Hello All,

A disturbing disserte' on the fragility of life on this planet.

Oh Boy!
Now thats one I know for sure. The end of the road. Durring the time of chris Columbis the end of the road was when you sailed off the edge. Durring the J.C. time it was just that when the road became a trail. Durring the really early time it was the trail.
I digress. Today the end of the road is quit literally Where the road ends (see I-95, I-10)
How ever I believe the one you mean is the great implosin that will occur in the far distant futur when the universe implods.
There I feel all better now.

Dave( )fair

davefair wrote:

Oh Boy!
Now thats one I know for sure. The end of the road. Durring the time of chris Columbis the end of the road was when you sailed off the edge. Durring the J.C. time it was just that when the road became a trail. Durring the really early time it was the trail.
I digress. Today the end of the road is quit literally Where the road ends (see I-95, I-10)
How ever I believe the one you mean is the great implosin that will occur in the far distant futur when the universe implods.
There I feel all better now.

Dave( )fair

[Hey - what happened to my pic?]

Actually,
The military taught me to read aireal photos as well as complex work project maps and blue prints. Tying the whole mess together was rather complex. The important thing is the programs that I used. I could get incredably detailed informaiton from them. I could even determine the deep water in the Tampa bay. I could go so far as a pixel by pixel analysis. In the old days we would use something like a jewlers loop.
Just look at what you can do with google earth. It goes right down to street level.
One day I would like to get my hands on the m.a.d maps that the navy and geodesic survey folks have. Gotta be some realy intresting stuff on those maps.

These days I just photograph grand kids and flowers.

Dave(the old) fair

Thoughts about Clovis.
Did they die? Or did they not come back.
Start over? The evidence is there locked into the earth.
You have but to "read" it.
But if you search,
there is more evidence that proves it was not the first time.

You know O.C.,
theoretically it is possible to travel in time in either direction. At least that was what I was given to understand. I'm not good enough to follow the math, but In blind faith I can acccept the theroy by appling your quote to it, bieng of simple mind.
My thoughts on Clovis is that I am lacking the hard data to know for sure what happened to them. If only we had that time traveling space ship. I saw the first of the new show terra novia. Which now raises the question where did Clovis come from in the first place? My nieghbor the reitred physis, has a chart showing the time lines of people on the earth. A rather large wall chart.
It is odd to me that as my curiosity grows in this regard, I am give acess to one of the superior minds. I am sure you would enjoy meeting him. If you have a question, I will be happy to take it to him and return with the answer.
Davefair

O.C.
Nope I can take you at your word, you have yet to fail me. What I find in you is the truth. After this amount of time i can take it to the bank. My favorite joke for the day is this. How can you tell when a poloticain is lieing? His jaw is moving.
If I wasn't such a knuckle dragging idiot, I could learn a lot from you. I will just settle for bieng a friend. You, Glider and Jack
make my day so to speak.

Davefair

You make me crazy when you say that ... you aren't an idiot. You take the time to look up what is said, ponder it, add to it, ponder more, shape it and come to a conclusion - on your own. That's the constructivist method. Even if you see something wrong you'll question it - which is what is supposed to be done.

ET isn't the problem ... we are - and you see it. Try Dave (the wise) Fair ... sounds better

Oh! I thought that was what made me an idot! I question every thing. Especaily when a pol says it.
I campained for Obama and he then broke 650 promises he had made. Including the one about keeping his mits off of socail security.
I believed him ............ thats what makes me an idot. The next time RON Paul least I know he's lying. Ya see in this great country it's O.K. to stand up and lie to people. Let me try a few "I never had sex with that woman." or this one "weapons of mass destruction" and the famous "We need change." looks like the same ole game to me.
Hey, wait a minute, I just figgured out what killed clovis................ Poloticains............ The led them like lemmins to the cliff.

Dave (if only I was wise)fair.

Oh and by the way I left out salesmen...... They seem to think I have some thing bad written on my fore head. Cause thats what they try do to me when I make the mistake of talking to one.

Actually O.C.,
the dumbing down of america has been under way for quite some time. With my wife teaching children K=5 for some 33 years.
It is not that they can not teach, it is that they are not allowed too. I used to supply her with the necessary funds to buy the materails that she needed at the begining of the school year. The last time set me back some 600 dollars. I watched it change from the three R's to teaching the test. This was by federal mandate. On top of that the class was held back to the lowest student. Class size increased to 21. She in the end became no more then a baby sitter. It did not matter that the brightest children were not learning. When you see a high school graduate that can not read then blame uncle sam.
Now the federal and state goverments are forcing teachers to retire. Sadly no one seems to notice. sigh!

You see, I saw it happen and when I protested nothing happened.
So that makes me

Dave (the idiot) fair

metoo wrote:

I came on this site because I have some thoughts about aliens, abductions etc. I've been looking into the subject for over 20 years but haven't really discussed it much with others. So I wonder what others think about some of my thoughts and would welcome constructive comments.

Is it possible that aliens DO NOT have earth people's best interest in mind at all and that those who have recieved messages that they are here to "help" us or to ease us through a transition period or something along those lines have been brainwashed? Since aliens can supposedly abduct earthlings and manipulate them to allow abductions, relax them to do physical exams (often described as painful), persuade them to forget all about the events involving them etc why can't they be making us think that they are benevolent?

I keep thinking about how Europeans came to the Americas and claimed to be controlling the natives for their own good. Purporting to be civilizing the "savages" and converting them to the "true" god, etc. Europeans proceeded to kill natives in droves, purposely gave then diseases like smallpox and syphilis, did their best to wipe out all history and native customs, stole anything of value they could get their hands on etc. Is it possible aliens are doing the same thing with us as we are considered savages compared to them?

Please understand I am not stating a fact here. I am wondering about possibilities. Most abductions are described as unpleasant at the very least and IF aliens are friendly why don't they come to us and ask permission to examine us, take us aboard their craft, etc??


Another question I have wondered about is are the aliens in fact, from another planet somewhere in the universe? Or do you think they are possibly from another dimension? Or is it possible they are actually "us" but from our future when things have gone not so well? I certainly don't know but I wonder what others might think. Or are there other possiblities?

Anyone want to discuss?

Doctors and dentists also carry out procedures that are unpleasant but help us - which is one thought and not everybody agrees with what they do to 'save us.' This is one thought. Another related one is don't believe the hype (what you hear). Psychopaths are very good at persuasion (lying) to get their own way as are advertisers. The question isn't are they good or bad but what behaviour is good and which bad for us and who cares? (It should be us, looking out for our own interests rather than listening to the con games of others). People force themselves on you when they don't trust that you will help them voluntarily. As for whites deliberately infecting the natives of America with smallpox and syphilis, what is the evidence for this? I ask because I saw one of the BBC natural history programs (The Trials of Life, hosted by David Attenborough), where parasitic life forms prevailed upon their hosts to sacrifice body parts, in order to pass the parasite onto the next host animal (snail eye stalks, eaten by a bird, after it had climbed to an exposed position, which would be anti-survival in normal conditions). Could the disease, in fact all diseases, do their best to get passed on to others, for their own survival through manipulating the host creature to pass them on? (David Cronenberg, the Canadian director, made a horror film on this very subject.

As for where they come from - who cares? They know we can't go there, which I believe is why they treat us like children when we ask, giving all kinds of answers that we can never follow up.