Why we will never get the ET picture right.

onlychild wrote:

I'm not going to go into a statement picture as to why this is; I have explained enough on this site to cover that picture. What I will do is give you an example regarding a topic we all know, what we did to it, and you can take it from there.

The subject is the ancient belief tied to the figure we know as Messiah. Like the UFO subject, this topic had a beginning, and at that beginning the people knew what it meant. Like the UFO subject, that beginning became scrambled over time, and today, thanks to a particular group of people, we no longer have a clue WHAT is going on regarding that figure.

The sad part is that no one explores the subject, and if they do and mention what they believe, they are usually blown off because the person listening "just feels they are right." Data is tossed aside, end of story.

If you look at these two pages you will see the picture I am referring to. At this point you should begin to take the subject apart from different sources, if you care. Like the UFO subject, something had an explanation once upon a time, but, like everything else, it wound up in a confused and changed around mess. Why? That would be what you are looking for

http://www.newworldencyclopedia.org/entry/Messiah#History


http://churchrelevance.com/qa-list-of-all-christian-denominations-and-their-beliefs/

You are correct in your assumption that things get lost in passing of time. When I was a working deputy I learned that no two people witnesed the event in the same way. Yet that was the way that they remebered it. If you want an example of mass confusion try working a shooting at a bar with 200 hundred people. Take the same people and let nine months pass and reinterview them/testimony in court and you would not believe it. I worked a murder that was not solved for some ten years and that only by his confession. I played hell trying to remeber it and that was with my report in hand. Now take that event and have it occuring some 2011 years ago. Yep, over time they wrote the woman out. Interseting, yep. My confusion is ended by a few simple words that shout the truth. Then I don't worry about it any more, simply because I don't have to. Then I can move forward.
For that O.C. I am grate full.
Your research and writtings are one of the things that I look forward to. Yes, after I read them I too do some research. You have yet to fail me in your accuracy. To be frank you and glider "make my day".
Dave( )fair

There is a name for that kind of thinking, it's called mythopoeic. In the triune brain scenario, and regarding the ancients, mythopoeic thinking would be the equivalent of using the r-complex, the mid-brain, and only the right hemisphere of the neocortex. The reason the ancients couldn't use the left hemisphere with regard to how nature and the cosmos worked was because there was no data - so they guessed, and painted a cartoon to represent it. They honestly believed that when the Nile didn't rise, it was pissed off at them, or some god was pissed off. They never thought it could be from lack of rain.

What's scary is that people are doing basically that today with the UFO subject. People don't have the data they need - so they guess. Shows like Ancient Aliens do the same thing - the Egyptians had representations of different parts of animals joined together ... gee, aliens must have done it genetically. And we wonder WHY we are getting nowhere in this subject.

O.C.,
Yep, your right on the money. If E.T. in what ever form were to shut down the car in the middle of the night and then offer to jump them off to get it started..... Well they would probably pass a big brick. Have you ever heard tell of E.T.s hanging arround coolant towers at power plants? Especaily the nuclear ones? I've gpt a buddy that does shift work at a coal plant and he told me about the whole night shift watching one for fifteen minutes or so. He said they never reported it. I can understand why.
That 81yr old nieghbor of mine, the retired physicist and I were holding a discussion on why things can't keep on going the way they are for much longer. A total economic collapse. I kinda feel sorry for the folks buying all of the gold. If the dollar takes a dump then the gold does too. You can't eat it and you sure couldn't sell it.

dave (th ole fart)fair

We're screwed - plain and simple - S C R E W E D.

The sad part to all of this is that the group I called "the people who knew" ALMOST made it to today ... after 5000+ years of information preservation, holding what we need today safely tucked away from prying eyes - they disappeared only about 200 years or so ago, seemingly absorbed into the growing secret society movement.

Missed it by THAT MUCH

O.C.,
I still hope for the we are not screwed part. Wouldn't it be funny if in the end they turned out to be the ones who got screwed.
Now I know for a fact that we have been f**Ked over so many times it not funny. If I knew as a kid what I know now. Sigh! Better now then never. Ya see the older I get the more aware I am of my abismal ignorance. I am still learning and will not stop until the day I die. When I see how screwed the country is, it's not the pols fault. Its ours, since we elected them. We picked the best of a sorry lot.

I am so tired of the talking heads who come on after the pols speach. You know the ones who tell us what the pol just said.

Davefair

Hello All,

Just thought I'd let you know that an asteroid larger than a football field is going to pass by on Nov. 8th, 2011 at around 200,000 miles out or about 8/10ths of the distance to the moon. After that, on Nov. 9th, the U.S. is going to conduct it's first EVER nationwide test of the new Emergency Alert system. All forms of media will be interrupted for 3 minutes.

Hmmmmmmmmmm! Glider you did say pass by? right? not impact? Dam can't dig a hole in florida! Every time you do it fills with water. The the local water athority says we have a water shortage. A quote from Adolph " Tell a big lie... keep it simple..... tell it often enough and they will believe it." Pass by.yep, how about the one they didn't tell you about? Or am I bieng to pessimistic?
Lets see now two table spoons of flax oil will help clear the cob webs off of the ole brain.
When you need a good snake oil saleman all you need to do is look to the Ceo's of the top five hundred corps. Doesn't any tell the truth any more?

davefair

Hello Dave ( the WISE!) Fair,

Yes, we do!

The asteroid's "pass-by" was something I read. Doesn't mean it's true. The test of the EAS for 11/9 probably isn't a test at all. It's so the president (who will be 2 miles underground in a NWO city) can tell the survivors to crouch down, place there heads between their legs and kiss their butts good-bye.

Glider,
I am intertaining the thought that the test is a test. The one for next year won't be.
The proscribed position for an airline crash is to lock your hands behind your head and then place your head between your knees.
I think that kiss your ass good by does apply. I have a thought for you. The end of the mayan calander does not mean the end but a new begining...... Just with a lot less of us arround. Did you by any chance see the movie with doctor strangeglove in it. Peter Sellars played such a good charcter in it. Slim pickins riding an A bomb to the ground.
But back to the premise of this thread.............. We never get the E.T. picture right because we are in the hands of people who think they know what we should or shouldn't know. I watched a show tonite with all of the folks who started area 51 all of those years ago. You know from bare desert until today. The CIA guy still managed to give me the creeps. The pilot guy was ok though.
He would proabably be a good guy to swap stories with. Are all ETs good guys? The things I saw didn't do any thing except be there.
O.C. says they lay things out in a puzzle format to make us think. Some times I don't want to think. I just want answers.
O.C. say it's HI Here we are. I can accept that as the truth because it makes sense. My next question would be "WHY"?
It's like why do they hang arround power plants? I'm betting that by this time next year we have a better idea.
I, would in fact, suggest that the earth and all of its inhabitants are nothing more then a test bed. On the down side it's going to be a pass or fail. Watching the world lately I think we may have blown it.

dave(the semiconsious)fair

O.C.,
This is not new news. This is the way it has been for quite some time. Every electric line does similar. Wether it is in you home or up on a pole. If you stand under a high tension power lin in a wet t-shirt and grasp both ends of a floresence tub you will lilght it up.
Radio, Television and radar have been bombarding us for years. Micro wave ovens are an off shoot of micro wave transmissions.
They were frying birds up on the dew line back in the fifties and sixties. Every once in a while they would shut down and go remove the carcass. While stationed in Cicel N.A.S. We had a barracks over by the radar site. Every time they made a sweep the T.V. would go off and make strange noises. Some people have been so nuts over this that they wore tin foil hats to protect themselves.
Not that that worked, other then to get them locked in the lunnie bin.
Now your out in texas, I would be willing to bet ya, that you get bombarded with waves from every thing from satealites to cell phones on a 24 hr basis and your not a lunnie. (I spilled coke on my good key board so I am typing on the student size one, means I'm punching two keys at a time). Ya see I think we got the E.T. picture right. There has to be a number of diffrent E.T.s just guessing at less then one half of one percent of the know universe. Lets say that the grays actually exist. What do you think John doe would do if paulie walk up and said "HI! Its me. I gotta tell ya some thing bad is about to happen" The bible belt folks would go nuts. They would think the devil had arrived. Thats the only reason that makes sense for not comming out front with them.
If in fact something bad is going to happen and YOU were the top goverment offical in charge what would you do? Especaily if you couldn't save every boday. Ponder that and let me know what you think. Oh and by the way try this one on for size. If you were E.T. and didn't quite trust the goverment, how would you make sure the information got out and quietly at that.

See if you come up with the same answers I got.

Dave(still the idiot)fair

not cognatively side tracked but lacks afer a mind numbing day they trun on the tube and off the brain. Yep, they have been conditioned that way. I wonder how vast the world wide t.v. watchers actually are? You see I rember the days of black and white t.v. with the hand rotated antenna. Oh yea and no airconditioning.

And no tv remote control - Oh wait, WE were the remote control for our parents

Eh ... I have been there done that too - the brain is what the brain is, however, INTEREST is the key. I went through more crap (including the car wreck) than anyone in this picture, but INTEREST in the subject drove me onward. As far as "time out" and watch TV - yeah, I did that too. I needed a break - I took a break. And when I was rested, I went right back to it again. The Latin seems to show the picture: from L. interest "it is of importance, it makes a difference."

I grant you that some of them my be here to help, even if they don't talk to us.
The one piece of information is? They are here to help? Help who?

Us? LOL ...

There is no written record from the last arrival C 13,500 - (?) 10,000 BC. However, as far back as our sudden new approach to living as an agricultural society, there are signs preserved that connect to the nebula in question. The second line here shows the earliest references I have found, and go back to around 9000 +/- BC. From there you can speculate about other characters drawn, that look similar.



I personally believe this is an artistic reference as well, from Gobekli Tepe.



But this later representation C 3400 - 3000 BC from Newgrange I believe it was, is the best of all. The bottom line is that we cannot see the nebula without a high powered telescope. How did they know? Who showed them? "Someone" was here thousands of years earlier, and we were preserving a single piece of information, that I believe was an upgrade to the original "obese goddess" symbol, with a slight possibility that it was done for us today. Why? Maybe - they knew we were going to lose it - ? - and we could wonder HOW they knew this back then? I dunno.



This symbol was supposed to last until the next time it was needed ... it didn't make it.





I visited with a retired deupty buddie of mine today. He asked if I was still with the tinfoil hat gang. I told him yes. He then told me about sitting on the beach in his patrol car after midnight, watching jets from mcdill chase after a ufo. So I offered to make him a tin foil hat. We were sitting with four generations of his family, his mother,himself,his son, and his gand son. We all got a good lalugh out of it. He is a true believer since then. Of course he never reported it. I am considering buying his yamaha roadking bike. It's a 2000 model with a 1600 cc motor. A big bike and garage kept. The only problem is talking my wife into it.

LOL ... yeah, been there done that too - hence the reason I live alone


Well see the bouncing ball leads some where. Remeber the way to get to the truth is to throw out every thing that doesn't fit and what remains no matter how improbale is the truth.
There you have it because over the years it come down to that one piece of information and you actually know what that is. You have the answer.

All I ever wanted was for someone to prove me wrong - then I could watch TV all day

O.C.,
why would any one try to prove you wrong? It is not necessary for any one to prove you wrong. The simple fact is this. The majority of the the attention of the world is fully focused on the impending collapse of the economy. The sad part is thier answer.
Write more funny money. The value of any currency to day grow less and less on a daily basis. Fear drives the economey, the lack of faith in our leaders to solve the problems drives the fear. If the economy tanks, then all things become both worthless and beyond value at the same time. It doesn't require a major natural catastrophic event to preticipate it. Most people are like lemmings and will bolt for the cliff in herds. It would indeed result in a major blood letting. Look whats going on arround the Globe.
If that doesn't scare the crap outta ya. I don't know what will. Bring the army home and throw them out on the streets.
With no jobs how long do you think it will take?
I read some where that the citizens would revolt if the tax rate went 50%. So the hide the taxes as fees or hidden taxes that the consummer pays like it or not. We have to many guns to try an collect them.
As a result it leaves us where? I don't know! But I do know that I will be watching. Where will you be?
Oh by the way the wife say she doesn't want to go down to the morgue and identify my mangled body. (Sigh)
So i guess no bike.

Davefair

onlychild wrote:

davefair wrote:

O.C.,
why would any one try to prove you wrong? It is not necessary for any one to prove you wrong.

When I said that all I ever wanted was for someone to prove me wrong, I meant that we never see everything, that I could have missed something anywhere along the line. Help was something I never got over the years - I just got used to it. The one time I presented a theory on the translation of page one of the Voynich manuscript, the people involved jumped all over me. No help - no questions regarding HOW I arrived at my conclusions - just dog pile on the rabbit. I didn't care if it was wrong, I just wanted to know WHERE it was wrong, if indeed it was wrong.

O.C.,
I thought you understood! People do not want to hear the truth. What they want to hear is ever thing is getting better. The status quoe remains the same. You make them uncomfortable when you tell them any different. So they stop listening. What you do is find people that will listen. Take glider as an example of some one will to listen. When you "speak" he pays attention. You are not missing data! It's in your head! All you have to do is drag it out and examine it then put it in print for the rest of us to read.
Even that wonder full blue man alfred will examine it. Bet cha a buck. It's some thing you need to do, in fact you are compelled too.
I know that the time is short, just a little over a year now. I'm not concerned with stock piling a years worth of food and medicnie.
What I am concerned with is my family.
Dang it I'm falling asleep at the key board.

davefair

O.C.,
Well I gotta admit........... at least you made it to the other side. I wonder how many other folks didn't. The ones with the life got in the way folks. It's a lot like the ostrich sysdrome. Today in this economy if you stick your head in the sand some body is going to run over you. It makes me kinda bitter sweet to look at it. A guy bought the house next door for a mear 46 grand, a third of what the house had been worth. He's hoping to fix it up and rent it. I wish him luck. The way I got it figured is I am either waiting for E.T. to show or for a gooe Pandemic. Tonight I figure the pandemic.

Dave(the tired)fair

davefair wrote:

O.C.,
Well I gotta admit........... at least you made it to the other side. I wonder how many other folks didn't. The ones with the life got in the way folks.

October of last year I said I was retiring from this on November 5, which was an event anniversary date back in '73. Stuck it out for one more year, nothing changed. Looks like that's going to happen again this year - Gilovich was right:

We are predisposed to see order, pattern, and meaning in the world, and we find randomness, chaos, and meaninglessness unsatisfying. Human nature abhors a lack of predictability and the absence of meaning. As a consequence, we tend to "see" order where there is none, and we spot meaningful patterns where only the vagaries of chance are operating. ...

Clearly, the tendency to look for order and to spot patterns is
enormously helpful, particularly when we subject whatever
hunches it generates to further, more rigorous test. Many times, however, we treat the products of this tendency not as hypotheses, but as established facts. The predisposition to impose order can be so automatic and so unchecked that we often end up believing in the existence of phenomena that just aren't there.

Hello Only Child,

The pattern tendency is inherent in all living things so don't let a normal trait be the catalyst in your decision. what is NOT normal in nature is a triangular shape so quite naturally Humans are especially drawn to it. The BT's are a good example in my case but these three recent reports from the http://www.ufostalker.com/ site around Kansas City are just too amazing to read to give up!

Hang in there.