UFO MAGAZINE TRYING TO SILENCE OTHERS

Hi Nancy,

Why not discuss on air why UFO MAGAZINE are trying to silence other friendly UFO pyublications ?

Philip Mantle.
Editor.
UFO MATRIX MAGAZINE.
www.healingsofatlantis.com

PS.

How long before I'm banned from this forum ?

mantle1958 wrote:

Hi Nancy,

Why not discuss on air why UFO MAGAZINE are trying to silence other friendly UFO pyublications ?

Philip Mantle.
Editor.
UFO MATRIX MAGAZINE.
www.healingsofatlantis.com

PS.

How long before I'm banned from this forum ?

Young Mantle
how sad your life must be.
I know none of you except by your writings
I do not know bill or nancy
Yet by reading what they have written
I have found them to be quite entertaing.
You on the other hand seem to need a five pound
brick of cheese to go with your whinning!
Why is it that you come to this web site
rather then one of your own.
You cast acusations as though they were drops of rain
Yet you only seem to wet your self.
Your rantings/accusations seen to be with out merit.
Sadly dueling has been outlawed.
In a fair fight I'd put my money on bill.

I remain
Davefair

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

Hi Nancy,

Why not discuss on air why UFO MAGAZINE are trying to silence other friendly UFO pyublications ?

Philip Mantle.
Editor.
UFO MATRIX MAGAZINE.
www.healingsofatlantis.com

PS.

How long before I'm banned from this forum ?

Young Mantle
how sad your life must be.
I know none of you except by your writings
I do not know bill or nancy
Yet by reading what they have written
I have found them to be quite entertaing.
You on the other hand seem to need a five pound
brick of cheese to go with your whinning!
Why is it that you come to this web site
rather then one of your own.
You cast acusations as though they were drops of rain
Yet you only seem to wet your self.
Your rantings/accusations seen to be with out merit.
Sadly dueling has been outlawed.
In a fair fight I'd put my money on bill.

I remain
Davefair

If you want to waste your money that's up to you. Cast your net a bit further and see who else old Birnes has pissed off in the past and you'll see a pattern here maybe.

Dueling may have been outlawed but I'd love to give old Mr UFO a a Catleford kiss and then see who comes out on top. I'd then show him where to storwe the attorneys letter.

Regards,

Philip.

How long before you're banned from the board?

Isn't it astonishing that you have not, eh? Or maybe not so astonishing given the Birnes had always extended a patent collegiality to you, which you —and entirely of your own convenience— proceeded to butt-surf like a canine infested with a bad case of itchy-worms. No, I'm betting you won't be banned and that you will be allowed to stink on a competitor's board, like an irascible infant, for all of the right reasons... and a few of the wrong ones, too.

You know, I wonder if some imagined, but similar, transgression occurred with you in the past? You know, where you used a self-manufactured outrage to justify a bombast, as petulant as it is contrived, to provide for some other self-promotion?

We're to "check around" for other Birnes "haters"? Well, I suspect that heading that short list would be David Biedny and that Biedny would be typical of the type of person to which you would allude. Though consider, Biedny was a "sow's ear" angry at Birnes, imo, because even Bill Birnes could not turn him into a "silk purse." I suspect that's the long and tall right there.

More?

alienview@roadrunner.com
> www.AlienView.net
>> AVG Blog -- http://alienviewgroup.blogspot.com/
>>> U F O M a g a z i n e -- www.ufomag.com

Alfred you are such a wag!
I'll bet that one went staight over his head.
I think wikpeda will have him for a visitor
So he can figure out wiether you insulted him or not.
A good bombast is a rare pleasue these days.
Maybe he will make an attempt at one.
I haven't seen such self pitty since I arrested my last drunk!
Fortunately he fell asleep while I was booing him.
Thou I did feel sorry for him when he fell off of the bench.

I remain

Davefair

Alfred Lehmberg wrote:

How long before you're banned from the board?

Isn't it astonishing that you have not, eh? Or maybe not so astonishing given the Birnes had always extended a patent collegiality to you, which you —and entirely of your own convenience— proceeded to butt-surf like a canine infested with a bad case of itchy-worms. No, I'm betting you won't be banned and that you will be allowed to stink on a competitor's board, like an irascible infant, for all of the right reasons... and a few of the wrong ones, too.

You know, I wonder if some imagined, but similar, transgression occurred with you in the past? You know, where you used a self-manufactured outrage to justify a bombast, as petulant as it is contrived, to provide for some other self-promotion?

We're to "check around" for other Birnes "haters"? Well, I suspect that heading that short list would be David Biedny and that Biedny would be typical of the type of person to which you would allude. Though consider, Biedny was a "sow's ear" angry at Birnes, imo, because even Bill Birnes could not turn him into a "silk purse." I suspect that's the long and tall right there.

More?

alienview@roadrunner.com
> www.AlienView.net
>> AVG Blog -- http://alienviewgroup.blogspot.com/
>>> U F O M a g a z i n e -- www.ufomag.com

Not even close Alfred. Keep trying though as you get full marks for effort even if you do still end up at the bottom of the class.

egards,

Philip.

davefair wrote:

Alfred you are such a wag!
I'll bet that one went staight over his head.
I think wikpeda will have him for a visitor
So he can figure out wiether you insulted him or not.
A good bombast is a rare pleasue these days.
Maybe he will make an attempt at one.
I haven't seen such self pitty since I arrested my last drunk!
Fortunately he fell asleep while I was booing him.
Thou I did feel sorry for him when he fell off of the bench.

I remain

Davefair

By that am I assume that you are in law enforcement of some kind ? If you are I pity the poor buggers you 'protect and serve'.

Regards,

Philip.

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

There's no fool like an old fool.

Regards,

Philip.

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

There's no fool like an old fool.

Regards,

Philip.

How true and in deed i do fill the bill
but then you see I already know it.
I brings me pleasure place my fools cap on my bean
The best part and this you miss.
I enjoy making people smile.
Ha! the power of positive thinking
you should try it.
Here is one for you (I hope you like it)
It takes a fool to recognise one!

Eh! What? Did you enjoy it?

Oh gracious me.
no insult intended!

Davefair

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

There's no fool like an old fool.

Regards,

Philip.

How true and in deed i do fill the bill
but then you see I already know it.
I brings me pleasure place my fools cap on my bean
The best part and this you miss.
I enjoy making people smile.
Ha! the power of positive thinking
you should try it.
Here is one for you (I hope you like it)
It takes a fool to recognise one!

Eh! What? Did you enjoy it?

Oh gracious me.
no insult intended!

Davefair

If only Alfred could admit he's as gormless as you we'd be on to a winner.

Insult fully intended.


Regards,


Philip.

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

There's no fool like an old fool.

Regards,

Philip.

How true and in deed i do fill the bill
but then you see I already know it.
I brings me pleasure place my fools cap on my bean
The best part and this you miss.
I enjoy making people smile.
Ha! the power of positive thinking
you should try it.
Here is one for you (I hope you like it)
It takes a fool to recognise one!

Eh! What? Did you enjoy it?

Oh gracious me.
no insult intended!

Davefair

If only Alfred could admit he's as gormless as you we'd be on to a winner.

Insult fully intended.


Regards,


Philip.

By god there may be hope for you after all.
Bravo,Bravo
I hope you didn't spend all day thinking that up?
I would certainly hate to see you waste your day.
Oh, I'm sorry you already do that don't you?
How's your subscription rate?
Still only one?


davefair (stll holding my sides at a good laugh)

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

There's no fool like an old fool.

Regards,

Philip.

How true and in deed i do fill the bill
but then you see I already know it.
I brings me pleasure place my fools cap on my bean
The best part and this you miss.
I enjoy making people smile.
Ha! the power of positive thinking
you should try it.
Here is one for you (I hope you like it)
It takes a fool to recognise one!

Eh! What? Did you enjoy it?

Oh gracious me.
no insult intended!

Davefair

If only Alfred could admit he's as gormless as you we'd be on to a winner.

Insult fully intended.


Regards,


Philip.

By god there may be hope for you after all.
Bravo,Bravo
I hope you didn't spend all day thinking that up?
I would certainly hate to see you waste your day.
Oh, I'm sorry you already do that don't you?
How's your subscription rate?
Still only one?


davefair (stll holding my sides at a good laugh)

It's never a waste of time making you laugh. Subscription rate, no idea. You see I'm the editor, look that word up, and subscriptions are dealt with by a seperate company. I've wrtiten that slowly so you can understand.

Regards,

Philip.

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

There's no fool like an old fool.

Regards,

Philip.

How true and in deed i do fill the bill
but then you see I already know it.
I brings me pleasure place my fools cap on my bean
The best part and this you miss.
I enjoy making people smile.
Ha! the power of positive thinking
you should try it.
Here is one for you (I hope you like it)
It takes a fool to recognise one!

Eh! What? Did you enjoy it?

Oh gracious me.
no insult intended!

Davefair

If only Alfred could admit he's as gormless as you we'd be on to a winner.

Insult fully intended.


Regards,


Philip.

By god there may be hope for you after all.
Bravo,Bravo
I hope you didn't spend all day thinking that up?
I would certainly hate to see you waste your day.
Oh, I'm sorry you already do that don't you?
How's your subscription rate?
Still only one?


davefair (stll holding my sides at a good laugh)

It's never a waste of time making you laugh. Subscription rate, no idea. You see I'm the editor, look that word up, and subscriptions are dealt with by a seperate company. I've wrtiten that slowly so you can understand.

Regards,

Philip.

By gorege and great ceasers ghost!

I too type slowly but mine is due to arthritus.
Yours is the two finger way, but take hope, you will get faster after some pratice.
Now those few authors and the one editor that I know (for the local news paper) are always worried about sales and subscriptions.
some thing about making a living at it at it.
I do enjoy jousting wits with you even if yours is just half.(i'll tie one hand behind my back and type with one finger)
It is a great thing to have some humor. I am glad that you are showing yours.
I promise you that I will tell bill that you are only half sorry.(wink nudge nudge)

Davefair

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

mantle1958 wrote:

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

There's no fool like an old fool.

Regards,

Philip.

How true and in deed i do fill the bill
but then you see I already know it.
I brings me pleasure place my fools cap on my bean
The best part and this you miss.
I enjoy making people smile.
Ha! the power of positive thinking
you should try it.
Here is one for you (I hope you like it)
It takes a fool to recognise one!

Eh! What? Did you enjoy it?

Oh gracious me.
no insult intended!

Davefair

If only Alfred could admit he's as gormless as you we'd be on to a winner.

Insult fully intended.


Regards,


Philip.

By god there may be hope for you after all.
Bravo,Bravo
I hope you didn't spend all day thinking that up?
I would certainly hate to see you waste your day.
Oh, I'm sorry you already do that don't you?
How's your subscription rate?
Still only one?


davefair (stll holding my sides at a good laugh)

It's never a waste of time making you laugh. Subscription rate, no idea. You see I'm the editor, look that word up, and subscriptions are dealt with by a seperate company. I've wrtiten that slowly so you can understand.

Regards,

Philip.

By gorege and great ceasers ghost!

I too type slowly but mine is due to arthritus.
Yours is the two finger way, but take hope, you will get faster after some pratice.
Now those few authors and the one editor that I know (for the local news paper) are always worried about sales and subscriptions.
some thing about making a living at it at it.
I do enjoy jousting wits with you even if yours is just half.(i'll tie one hand behind my back and type with one finger)
It is a great thing to have some humor. I am glad that you are showing yours.
I promise you that I will tell bill that you are only half sorry.(wink nudge nudge)

Davefair

I must aologise to you, I checked with the company that deals with our subscriptions and you were right, we have only one subscriber. That was Alfred.

Please do give Bill my regards. He'll no doubt be pleased to know that UFO MATRIX is now on sale internationally.

Regards,

Philip.

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

Totally off topic, I know. But thank you for your service. My Dad was also a police officer, serving the same community, for 30 years.

natedog54 wrote:

davefair wrote:

Actually mantel (if indeed you are Philip)
The greatfull citizens of hillsborogh county
Gave me a very nice party at a place called hooters.
A good time was had by all.
By bieng a retired civil servant and a retired navy seabee, I am twice a citizen and a double dipper.
Add to that that my wife taught school for thiry three years in the same elementary school.
So she too is a double dipper.
This allows me the leisure to persue my hobbies.
one of which is pricking the hide of malevolent malcontents
who have no regard to the sensibilities of those they come
into contact with.
I really don't blame bill for having the attorney write you.
My point was that you were bieng crass and obviously looking for
a battle.
Alfred, who's sense of humor is even dryer then mine
was bieng gentle with you. I on the other hand don't mind goring
the ox. (did you catch my drift yet?)

here is a sample of dry wit. Please try to grasp it.
A fool and his magazine are soon parted.

I remain
ever the ufo fan
Davefair

Totally off topic, I know. But thank you for your service. My Dad was also a police officer, serving the same community, for 30 years.

Personally I think all police officers deserve a medal, I don't know ghow they do the job but we'd be lost without them.

Regards,

Philip.

Philip
I have never talked to or for that matter recieved any communications from bill.
I am a fan of his show. I think that my goverment has covered up the alien sightings.
I believe this because of the sightings that I have seen over a good many years.
I believe there are not more sightings reported because people (in general )never look up
the old tunnel vision thing. My fatherwas a general avation pilot, small airplanes, he taught me
look arround and see what was there. Primarly so he could avoid other airplanes. In Viet Nam I learned to
listen for the sound of huey's. That primarly to get on it and get the heck out there.
My goverment spent a great deal of time trying to convince people that they were not seeing what they saw.
You english on the other hand don't seem to have that problem.
I don't really mind when it's some goverment test of some unnamed aircraft. That I can under stand.
But the things not the goverment should should be admitted to.
I had heard, thru the grapevine, that it was because they couldn't stop them or for that matter even tell us what it was.
Ergo, the ole swamp gas thing and the all time favorite weather ballons. Thousands of people have seen the strange lights in the night
sky and thousands more have seen the daylight sightings.
Colonel Corso, came out and admited some things, that he knew to be true. They butchered him in order to make him seem
a crack pot. Just as they would butcher me, if I ganied any attention as to what I saw.
Thank God I don't know any secrets.
What I have notice is that when the secret keepers get some age on them, retired and don't have to worry any more
they have a tendcy to open up.

cheers

Davefair

davefair wrote:

Philip
I have never talked to or for that matter recieved any communications from bill.
I am a fan of his show. I think that my goverment has covered up the alien sidings.
I believe this because of the sightings that I have seen over a good many years.
I believe there are not more sightings reported because people (in general )never look up
the old tunnel vision thing. My fatherwas a general avation pilot, small airplanes, he taught me
look arround and see what was there. Primarly so he could avoid other airplanes. In Viet Nam I learned to
listen for the sound of huey's. That primarly to get on it and get the heck out there.
My goverment spent a great deal of time trying to convince people that they were not seeing what they saw.
You english on the other hand don't seem to have that problem.
I don't really mind when it's some goverment test of some unnamed aircraft. That I can under stand.
But the things not the goverment should should be admitted to.
I had heard, thru the grapevine, that it was because they couldn't stop them or for that matter even tell us what it was.
Ergo, the ole swamp gas thing and the all time favorite weather ballons. Thousands of people have seen the strange lights in the night
sky and thousands more have seen the daylight sightings.
Colonel Corso, came out and admited some things, that he knew to be true. They butchered him in order to make him seem
a crack pot. Just as they would butcher me, if I ganied any attention as to what I saw.
Thank God I don't know any secrets.
What I have notice is that when the secret keepers get some age on them, retired and don't have to worry any more
they have a tendcy to open up.

cheers

Davefair

Wing Commander Alan Turner M.B.E. here in the UK didn't speak out until well into retirement. I was fortunate enough to meet him and interview him. One wonders how many more there out there like him ?

regards,

Philip.

philip,

That was nice to hear about your father.
Mine was a two degree engineer In both electrical and mechanical. He worked for henry ford jr. as a trouble shooter for plant problems
and production line issues, back in the early days of automation. I on the the other hand worked out doors as an operating engineer and at my peak a storm water engineer ( or as we like to call it gravity) Not too critical unless you live on flat land at three feet above sea level.
Which by the by is most of the coast line of Florida. Just as a side note most hurricanes have a 12 to 26 ft. storm surge.

I by the way saw your picture on your site. I would guess that you are not a whole lot younger then I.

Davefair

davefair wrote:

philip,

That was nice to hear about your father.
Mine was a two degree engineer In both electrical and mechanical. He worked for henry ford jr. as a trouble shooter for plant problems
and production line issues, back in the early days of automation. I on the the other hand worked out doors as an operating engineer and at my peak a storm water engineer ( or as we like to call it gravity) Not too critical unless you live on flat land at three feet above sea level.
Which by the by is most of the coast line of Florida. Just as a side note most hurricanes have a 12 to 26 ft. storm surge.

I by the way saw your picture on your site. I would guess that you are not a whole lot younger then I.

Davefair

My father was a coal miner and worked all his life on the coal face all his life and I'm proud to say that. As for my age, I'm 52 but this morning I feela lot older.

regards,

Philip.

actually philip,
In my true muzzlie fashion I got it wrong!
It was natedogs father who was the cop.
I was a deputy sheriff here in florida after I came back from vietnam.
I changed professions after I arrested a man for killing his two and half year old step daughter-.
He was 6'4" and wiegh in at just under 300 pds. He had hit her in the stomach and ruptured her liver and splien.
When I got to the hospital,(the doctor called for a deputy) She was laying on a tabel looking up at me with her dying eyes.
Both the doctor and his nurse were crying. There was nothing to be done for her. The doctor told me what had happened.
I could here him in the waiting room laughing.
I hate to admit it but I lost it. Fortunatly he resisted. I broke one of his legs and three of his ribbs.
The truly bad part was this, I had him hand cuffed in the back seat. We had a wire mesh seperating us.
Every time he spit on me I slammed the brakes on. By the time I got to the jail, it looked like I had worked him over
with a waffle iron.
The jail wouldn't tale him cause they figured he was going to die. The hospital wouldn't treat him, because of what he had done.
To cut a long story short, he was convicted. He later died in prison, from bieng gang rapped, or so they told me.
I decided to quit law enforcement, because I shouldn't have lost my temper with him, but to be honest about it. If I had to arrest him again
I would probably kill him. I was haunted by her eyes.She was so small and defenselessly. So I went over to the other side of the county, the civil service side. Storm water engineering. I spent my time in the seven hundred square miles of Hillsborogh county, working out of a pickup truck. I know on a personal basis all of the water sheds and streams. For my lunch break I would brown bag it and do some fishing while eating. It was a great life.

Davefair

davefair wrote:

actually philip,
In my true muzzlie fashion I got it wrong!
It was natedogs father who was the cop.
I was a deputy sheriff here in florida after I came back from vietnam.
I changed professions after I arrested a man for killing his two and half year old step daughter-.
He was 6'4" and wiegh in at just under 300 pds. He had hit her in the stomach and ruptured her liver and splien.
When I got to the hospital,(the doctor called for a deputy) She was laying on a tabel looking up at me with her dying eyes.
Both the doctor and his nurse were crying. There was nothing to be done for her. The doctor told me what had happened.
I could here him in the waiting room laughing.
I hate to admit it but I lost it. Fortunatly he resisted. I broke one of his legs and three of his ribbs.
The truly bad part was this, I had him hand cuffed in the back seat. We had a wire mesh seperating us.
Every time he spit on me I slammed the brakes on. By the time I got to the jail, it looked like I had worked him over
with a waffle iron.
The jail wouldn't tale him cause they figured he was going to die. The hospital wouldn't treat him, because of what he had done.
To cut a long story short, he was convicted. He later died in prison, from bieng gang rapped, or so they told me.
I decided to quit law enforcement, because I shouldn't have lost my temper with him, but to be honest about it. If I had to arrest him again
I would probably kill him. I was haunted by her eyes.She was so small and defenselessly. So I went over to the other side of the county, the civil service side. Storm water engineering. I spent my time in the seven hundred square miles of Hillsborogh county, working out of a pickup truck. I know on a personal basis all of the water sheds and streams. For my lunch break I would brown bag it and do some fishing while eating. It was a great life.

Davefair

You have nothing to be ashamed of, shows that efven police officers are human. I have 2 daughters and a granddaugther myself , so put me in the same position as you were in and who knows what I might have done.

Regards and respect.


Philip.

Thank you sir,
Makes me feel better that some one understands.
There are too many monsters in this world, They come in human form, but by god they are not human.
physopaths seem to come in two catagorys, the monsters ones and the politicians.
The problem is this, in the old days they would give um a rope neck tie. The inlightened folks of today, just want to leave um in jail.


davefair

Dave, I've loads of respect for what law enforcement does. Yet so little is done to show them how much it is appreciated. I too am a double-dipper. I'm 100% disabiled from exposure to Agent Orange. I've got only 30% heart-function, and have an ostomy bag. Life can suck abit, but only if you let it. I arrested seven times in the ICU and my doctor said I was a miracle. I however think that the man upstrairs still has a need for me here. When I was able to after I got home. I bought a Black-Forrest chocolate cake and a large cheesecake sampler and took it to the EMS station near my house to say thanks for what they do. I also bought three dozen Dunkin Donuts and dropped them off at our local Polk County Sherriffs station. As they always follow the EMS guys to a 911 call.
All where surprised, I said I thought it's ashame more people don't do this for you guys.. Thanks for your service(s)...wish I could shake your hand. I do enjoy your posts & wit.
Bill T/Saberjet
Lakeland FL