Preparing for the End Times

John Hughes wrote:

No disrespect intended, but I don't believe in channeling. There must be some other explanation, or cause and effect here.

How can you say for certain that it all comes from who you say it does, geez.

How can you say it doesn't? The saw cuts both ways.

Somebody, I can't remember who (Crowley?) said that spirits are notorious liars. So, just like science (steeped in subjectivity) it can't be completely trusted. You just have to take it for what it is and leave behind what doesn't suit you.

But just remember, the beliefs you choose, either through your personal belief or those acquired through your culture, are not a measure of truth, but only a measure of belief.

The truth, whatever that may be, is another thing altogether.

Mike Good wrote:

John Hughes wrote:

No disrespect intended, but I don't believe in channeling. There must be some other explanation, or cause and effect here.

How can you say for certain that it all comes from who you say it does, geez.

How can you say it doesn't? The saw cuts both ways.

Somebody, I can't remember who (Crowley?) said that spirits are notorious liars. So, just like science (steeped in subjectivity) it can't be completely trusted. You just have to take it for what it is and leave behind what doesn't suit you.

But just remember, the beliefs you choose, either through your personal belief or those acquired through your culture, are not a measure of truth, but only a measure of belief.

The truth, whatever that may be, is another thing altogether.

Not trying to start an agrument, as I'm the new guy here, ha ha, but if it was true, we'd all be doing it, right. You can believe in this fringe stuff if you like, no skin off my nose. I just think is nonsensical mumbo jumbo bring out ther Weegie Board stuff, but that's me. I don't mean to condemn this guy but geez. What happened to good old common sense.

John Hughes wrote:

Mike Good wrote:

John Hughes wrote:

No disrespect intended, but I don't believe in channeling. There must be some other explanation, or cause and effect here.

How can you say for certain that it all comes from who you say it does, geez.

How can you say it doesn't? The saw cuts both ways.

Somebody, I can't remember who (Crowley?) said that spirits are notorious liars. So, just like science (steeped in subjectivity) it can't be completely trusted. You just have to take it for what it is and leave behind what doesn't suit you.

But just remember, the beliefs you choose, either through your personal belief or those acquired through your culture, are not a measure of truth, but only a measure of belief.

The truth, whatever that may be, is another thing altogether.

Not trying to start an agrument, as I'm the new guy here, ha ha, but if it was true, we'd all be doing it, right. You can believe in this fringe stuff if you like, no skin off my nose. I just think is nonsensical mumbo jumbo bring out ther Weegie Board stuff, but that's me. I don't mean to condemn this guy but geez. What happened to good old common sense.

Sorry John,

I was not trying to start an argument either. Besides, if you look at what I said, I said that "spirits are notorious liars". That actually supports your above stated point of view. That is the nature of dialog.

No anger or malice is involved, I am just offering alternative ideas. Like I said before, "common sense" is not the final arbiter of what is true or what is not. It is just a popular trend in thought.

Those trends are subjective and have no monopoly on truth, whatever that may be. Keeping an open mind means entertaining many different ideas, even ones that you are not comfortable with.

In fact, I would say that open mindedness DEMANDS entertaining ideas that you are not comfortable with. The universe is a big weird place. How do any of us know what is truly possible out there? It is always a good idea to keep those infinite possibilities in mind.

And yeah, that is just my subjective belief.....

Cheers!!

Mike

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Sorry John,

I was not trying to start an argument either. Besides, if you look at what I said, I said that "spirits are notorious liars". That actually supports your above stated point of view. That is the nature of dialog.

No anger or malice is involved, I am just offering alternative ideas. Like I said before, "common sense" is not the final arbiter of what is true or what is not. It is just a popular trend in thought.

Those trends are subjective and have no monopoly on truth, whatever that may be. Keeping an open mind means entertaining many different ideas, even ones that you are not comfortable with.

In fact, I would say that open mindedness DEMANDS entertaining ideas that you are not comfortable with. The universe is a big weird place. How do any of us know what is truly possible out there? It is always a good idea to keep those infinite possibilities in mind.

And yeah, that is just my subjective belief.....

Cheers!!

Mike

Mike, no need to apologize, it's all good, brother. Maybe I should lighten up, on my part. To be honest, I don't understand why this alien/UFO topic brings out the crazies. I spent a good week reading a lot of posts here before my first post and I'm at a total loss, to be honest. I think Bill is doing great work, and I thought this forum would follow along those lines, but it seems like this is one big bus load of, well, maybe I should stop right there.

There is something going on here regarding UFO’s that seems like it needs more people like Bill and his crew, but I don't see the same caliber or focused intent of people doing the posting. Geez, I don't think I am an elitist, but where are all of the normal people who are simply looking for answers. All I see are channeling babble types and image rich crazy photos of hell’s junk yard and such spouting their own brand of crazy.

I guess I thought this might be a more professional less wack ball crowd here, or something. Maybe it’s me, I could be expecting something that is not that practical in this UFO field, I don't know.

Sorry for the rant.

Pondered your post for a while Onlychild and it occured to me .

Onlychild said .

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4) those answers had better align with the small pile of beliefs I DO have, or else - PFFT - they're worthless.

Theres your problem right there !


To find what you are seeking you must stop clinging to your beliefs . After all , they are just that !


With respect FW .

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As long as "beliefs" are constructed from data, you can see at any time where an error or problem is, remove it if necessary, and just reconfigure the pile of information that is left without it.

The best example is religion. Religion A looks at religion B and vise versa; both say the other is wrong. How would you figure out which, if either, is right? Data (and a lot of it LOL). They both just believe they are right, even though the doctrines oppose each other. That cannot be, yet they cannot see it.

Yes , but what if you are missing the most significant piece of data . The data that
takes you beyond belief and to a position of knowing ? We could then take the perspective of " oh , maybe there is another piece of data that i haven't found yet
and perhaps that will make everything i thought i knew , wrong !
Where does it end ?

I have always maintained that the point of your life is what you make it .

I have no need to search through miles and miles of historical data . History is written by the victor , as they say , and therefore inherently unreliable .


Cheers FW .

Thanks for responding by way of the written word Onlychild .
Half expected a video link in response in leu of whats been going on here lately !

FW .

free wheel wrote:

Thanks for responding by way of the written word Onlychild .
Half expected a video link in response in leu of whats been going on here lately !

FW .

Whaaaat!, you no likey video posts absent of stimulating opinion inserted to why such a thing is brought before your mind. Me knows nothing why with no likey either, but me has now learned how to bump meself up to top poster position. Spam it be called.

As in other forums before this, the governor would send fatal warning to stop such practice. Post a video, post your thoughts so it not be spam.

Ok, I now return you to the world as you likey.

Hehe , You weren't Black beard in a former life were you Gigas ?

FW .

Gigas,

I have not been spamming anything, only two weeks ago I had to ask another member what spam was? This is my first forum.

I have had two members contact me via pm who have said I was doing a good job!

I have been posting video for those who have not seen them, I have posted them in my own topics so as not to tread on anyones toes.

I have had a home computer for the last 4 years, yes, i've put 4 years of video's on the site + my own experience, all done with the truest of intentions. I'm sorry you two can't see that.

As for the quickest way to become top poster I presume you are on about 'Anything Funy' and 'Sci Fi Clips'. I'm sorry your view of the world is so narrow. Not everything needs to be serious all of the time, how about some fun every now and again.

Kind regards, Mac 5.

Dude , i think it's just that this is a forum . And on forums people like to debate . It is great that you have collated all these vids and a goldmine for the newcomer . But most of the people on here i understand , are way beyond this point .

Saying it as i see it .


FW ,

The Newbies are the future!! I\'ve got three myself!!

This was the first place I looked at for forums about three weeks ago - others will come here first to!

If I had my way the computer for UFO Magazine would be the size of a car - we could put every case in history on it!!

I\'m just trying to add to the archive - it wasn\'t here before i joined!!??
You and I may be past this point of research but there are many Newbies who are not! Just trying to save them all alot of typing!!!

Kind regards, Mac 5.

Ok . Define future .

FW .

Was editing - please see above!

Seriously , no hard feeling Mac5 . I also have children . Just trying to understand your veiwpoint .

FW .

I agree, no hard feelings - Maybe now we understand one another things can get back to normal.

The oiginal idea behind the adverts and films was to prove how much this subject is in the public eye, but - without the public paying attention to it - sort of subliminal programing to accept the subject?

I did wan't both to continue running before performing a poll!!

Best wishes, Mac 5.

Thanks Mac5 . Your enthusiasm i think , was perhaps misinterpreted .

Yea , and i am still sorry about the PM thing !


Cheers FW .

No Probs

Peace .


FW . Kids are cool !


Have a fun half term matey .

Gigas,

Think what you like. I have no intention of going around in circles with you. I have explained twice! I only reached the top posters board because I had 4 years of material to archive on the site.

I havn't told you what to do, or what not to do; maybe you wan't to try minding your own business; Instead of throwing your toys out of your pram because you don't like what you see.

It seems to me that the main thing bothering you, is that I am on the top posters list?

I scan the papers on line most days - when there has been anything I have brought it to the forum for proper discussion. At the moment I am not a member of any ufo research group, and as such do not have to tow the party line, or yours.

Under which sense of self importance did you promote yourself to site Administrator anyway?

The video's are self explanatory, so are the topic headings. If you don't like them, don't watch them. You're just trying to be a wind up merchant and I find your accusations to be highly insulting.

I believe a picture can say a thousand words, you on the other hand do say a thousand words - but end up saying nothing.

So tell us all Gigas, you've done alot of talking about others and done a good job of being sarcastic, insulting, playing on stereotypes and generaly putting people down; but said very little about your story - will you ever? Or will you just keep up the cryptic speeches and little tests?


I will do as I wish untill told otherwise by the people who run the site.

Have a nice day 'in your mind'

Kind regards, Mac 5.