Cattle Mutes

I liked this one, in spite of the horrible poor cattle on the ground. Poor beasts. Again -- and I promise to find out more -- there was some excellent stuff left on the cutting-room floor. Again.

The young girl and her friend had a whole lot more to say, and that's what I'll try to bring to this forum.

These are the many reasons that Bill seems to jump to conclusions, but in fact, if you saw *all* the witness testimony, it's not a jump at all.

We did an article a little while back, and I title it: "I Have No Tongue And I Must Moo" in homage to Harlan Ellison. I will post that article for more background. Link to follow.

I must say this episode brought my attention to the subject. I really havent heard much on cattle being used. The stories of the same body parts being taken from different scenes makes me think. I am glad that a occult and vet. opinion were brought up. This would be a hard show for skeptics to aruge over.
Also to be off topic Nancy, is season #4 underway? I read on a forum that a person saw Kevin Cook smoking a cig. and Bill in front of the cameras in Highlander Park at Kokomo, IN.

Hi Mark,

As far as I know, Season 4 has not been sealed in stone. I will let you know here as soon as I know. Meanwhile, they are ganging up on finishing Season 3, with several episodes yet to film.

They are currently in Indiana, I think. Kevin is supposed to be quitting his nasty habit, but it's hard. And he probably is under a lot of stress -- they all are. Little sleep, much traveling, icky story topics.

The cattle mute thing is horrible and is a really big deal in the West. Has been for years, since 1967 when the first ones were publicized in the modern era in Colorado. Ironically, I was living there when the first stories broke.

I never thought the whole idea of cattle mutilation as all that interesting...until I saw the show. I have not seen the entire episode from last night, but it is very baffling. No evidence of human or predators really causing this. Even if it was humans, at some point over a long period of time, someone would get sloppy and leave behind evidence. There's no indication of that. Even the black helicopters would leave some kind of impression. Totally baffling. Almost more so than crop circles.

Cattle mutilations are enigmas that may be stand alone.

Some think they are secret government programs, but I question this as the government would use their own cows. Stealing and mutilating a private rancher's cattle brings more attention to them if it is a secret government program. The sadness of the older rancher really moved me as it is his livelihood. I do not see the government causing such grief to some of the smaller ranchers out there, who need every animal they have to break even.

Cults and secret occults are ruled out, as they do not leave any markings. I am one to not like this reasoning, as it could still be a small group of people who do this type of thing for other strange reasons. I also have a problem with the so-called cult and occult specialists, but that is another story.

The alien explanation is still strange to me, as all they would need to do is collect a few samples from the cow and release it unharmed. If they are civilized enough to figure out the secrets of deep space travel, they can get the DNA (or whatever material they need) and not harm an innocent species.

The black helicopters that are seen do provide some types of clues. Add to that the numerous sightings of UFOs, and the mystery deepens.

Is it some type of supernatural or other explanation? Could the government be doing these mutilations to throw people off the scent of what is going on with secret military projects? These are many of the possible explanations for a very weird phenomenon. I am puzzled by this one, but do not buy into the alien explanation for it...yet. I still say it is humans who are doing it, and covering their tracks.

These shows tend to be grisly by showing the mutilated animals. UFO Hunters was not as bad as others, but they still managed to get in some shots that are not for the squeamish. Not as good as last weeks, but still interesting.

While I agree the mutilations are hard to look at, I am glad they don't refrain from letting the public see what is done to them. Shows like this are the only window into that world most of us have. For the most part we aren't likely ever to see a mutilated cow in our lives. Without "seeing" with our own eyes we wouldn't understand just how surgically clean these wounds appear to be.

I liked this show.

Thank you to the UFO Hunters team and those who co-operated in the respectful and serious treatment of this matter in the "Alien Harvest" titled episode from UFO Hunters season 3. Well done.

This was perhaps the best media research treatment I've seen of the bovine mutilation crisis in quite some time and I value the work done adding to the body of knowledge and the informative impact it may have on the larger public that UFO Hunters on the History Channel offers as a platform. This is a positive accomplishment in my personal view.

The episode made very clear the impact on Rancher Jones and evokes an empathy within me for his and others plight not to mention the livestock. Suffering has many contexts and this issue is certainly long-suffering.

The earliest potential example I know of is the April 19th 1897 case on the Alexander Hamilton ranch in Leroy Kansas featured in 1976 hour and a half made for TV film entitled " UFO's: It Has Begun". A 15 minute portion of this film is dedicated to the bovine mutilation phenomenon or phenomena as it was being experienced in the mid-1970's. The Sandler Film/Bob Emenegger video is currently available on Google Video and well worth the viewing for background information that compliments the current UFO Hunters work nicely and may suggest other forensic trace aspects such as the UV light sensitive metals marking of cattle and a possible link to UFO activity. State and local officials as well as a veterinarian are cited.

That independent ranchers seem targeted raises a red and shameful flag. It would be interesting to see whether "big-agra" corporate livestock operations would share the same plight as those like rancher Jones and whether federal and state officials would perhaps pursue the perpetrators with the same lack of zeal - I rather think not but I could always be happily mistaken. The farmers must feel so abandoned by the lack of political will and official government bureaucratic agency in-action to have this or these phenomena resolved with definition, integrity and finality.

It would seem there is no single comprehensive logical solution at this time and I for one would hope that the UFO Hunters "Alien Harvest" episode work would be built upon and perhaps revisited in future as more data becomes available.

Again, cheers for the current state-of-the-art investigation and contribution by the UFO Hunters team.

Fix''

After watching the episode in full finally on You Tube, I am almost convinced that ET/UFO'S are responsible for this phenomenon. Although, I thought Kevin's ideas on bovine blood being used by the government was fascinating. Why would the government stockpile this blood? I can't help but wonder if the government has been preparing for a big event of some kind. Maybe waiting for some kind of pandemic to spread. H1N1 virus?

Anyway, I think the mutilations are due to ET's/UFO's. I think the government can detect these UFO's and send out the black helicopters and I think they all play hide-and-seek. When the UFO Hunter team camped out in the pasture, the ET's knew they were there. Of course they wouldn't show up.

This was definitely one of the best episodes and I think Bill did a great job tying information gathered from previous investigations into this one. It just made sense. I did notice that Kevin didn't seem as skeptical as in other shows.

Posted by battlecreekdavid:

"I thought Kevin's ideas on bovine blood being used by the government was fascinating. Why would the government stockpile this blood? I can't help but wonder if the government has been preparing for a big event of some kind."

The Journal of thoracic and cardiovascular surgery 2002;124(1):35-42 featured some work that may be relevant to battlecreeldavid's first question about "why". The research abstract can be found by searching at biomedexperts.com and I'd post a link but it seems that embedding longish URL links makes the post page in at least preview mode excessively wide for whatever reason and might make the forum page less easily read.

It's title " Polymerized bovine hemoglobin solution as a replacement for allogeneic red blood cell transfusion after cardiac surgery: results of a randomized, double-blind trial." says much about one potential contingent possibility - ionizing radiation of various degrees amongst other negative effects causes human blood to become anemic and can be debilitating and even fatal dependent on the dosage absorbed and that bovine blood products can be used to ameliorate these negative effects - apparently with some success.[/i]

"CONCLUSION: HBOC-201 may be an initial alternative to red blood cell transfusions for patients with moderate anemia after cardiac surgery. In a third of cases, HBOC-201 eliminated the need for red blood cell transfusion, although substantial doses were needed to produce this modest degree of blood conservation."

"METHODS: In a randomized, double-blind efficacy trial of HBOC-201, a total of 98 patients undergoing cardiac surgery and requiring transfusion were randomly assigned to receive either red blood cell units or HBOC-201 (Hemopure; Biopure Corporation, Cambridge, Mass) for the first three postoperative transfusions. Patients were monitored before and after transfusion, at discharge, and at 3 to 4 weeks after the operation for subsequent red blood cell use, hemodynamics, and clinical laboratory parameters. RESULTS: The use of HBOC-201 eliminated the need for red blood cell transfusions in 34% of cases (95% confidence interval 21%-49%). Patients in the HBOC group received a mean of 1.72 subsequent units of red blood cells; those who received red blood cells only received a mean of 2.19 subsequent units (P =.05). Hematocrit values were transiently lower in the HBOC group but were similar in the two groups at discharge and follow-up. Oxygen extraction was greater in the HBOC group (P =.05). Mean increases in blood pressure were greater in the HBOC group, but not significantly so."

What "big event" have some governments had defense and preparedness for that bovine blood products may assist? Thermo-nuclear warfare "could" be one. There may be others.

Fix'

The government would not have a reason to kill the cattle from a small ranch, putting a financial strain on its owner. The government would also have its own supply of cattle to do testing and experimenting with. That rules out the government as a reason.

Extraterrestrials are much more highly advanced than we are and would also just take a DNA scraping or a sample of blood. If they have mastered the ability to travel through the galaxy, they would also be able to clone an animal such as a cow, or they would just get the ova and sperm and raise their own cattle. I do not see them killing cattle just for a few parts.

I am one to lean that people are doing this. They are covering their tracks, and leaving no trace (other than the masks left near the alleged Dulce site). Why they are doing it is unknown, but I don't think the evidence is strong enough to say it is extraterrestrial.

I also wonder why the investigator did not take pictures of the geometric formations in the cases he saw.

This all depends on what the aliens' purpose is. We'll never know unless one gets an interview with Katie Couric.

She'd never go for it, Battle. I doubt she'd want to interview someone thinner than she is

I've never given a whole lot of thoughts to mutilations. I could say it is some kind of genetic experiment, in a different- and thankfully less violent manner than those that are used on humans. I guess it would be the height of hubris to think I could understand a truly alien mind though.

listen people cattle mutilations are just cattle dieing and the results are animals and bugs eating at it or people are faking these for attention.

answer ths question if you feel they are real:

why would aliens come maybe billion of light years to cut up a cow? then after they abduct and mutilate a cow (and heres the big question) why do they bring t back to the field and dump it instead of just throwing it into space or burning it up with refuse? it doesnt make any sense to bring the stupid thing back. i can see why they would autopsy it, but why not other animals?

fheargus wrote:

why would aliens come maybe billion of light years to cut up a cow? then after they abduct and mutilate a cow (and heres the big question) why do they bring t back to the field and dump it instead of just throwing it into space or burning it up with refuse? it doesnt make any sense to bring the stupid thing back. i can see why they would autopsy it, but why not other animals?

That is the one question I ask about this phenomenon myself. The problem with the human prank or hoax answer is no footprints or other physical evidence is left by them. I think a more supernatural explanation may be what is happening. One thing is certain, more study and research on this subject is needed.

Here in Argentina during the 90s, there where many mutilations. Goberment started an investigation...

Here's my take in it.

By tracking the Gray's behavior, they seem to be picking certain areas, and they tend to stick with those areas for mutilating cows. Obviously they are staking their territory, either making an investment in the cows they pick, or its just easy pick-ins in that area. Ever since one of the gray's left the one dead malformed grey alien inside the cow, the only answer that makes sense is the cows are being used as incubators to grow new aliens for whatever grey type implanted it.

The small lights that keep track of the cows at night are probes monitoring the cows progress. These probes from all the evidence I've seen should be avoided as they most likely have some kind of defensive mechanism if cornered, trapped or attacked. One of the episodes a person said he heard a voice in the back of his head saying, "don't touch it, it will kill you". A voice in the back of your head can be taken as a message from beyond. It is most likely the truth, and if you do what the message says you will probably get out alive!

Since discovering tracking bugs inside the cows, any cow that has been implanted can now be pulled aside and sent in for examination and dissection. It'll be cut up by the gray's anyway, but is a total loss to the farmer if they do it, so if the farmers send the cow in before they get it, he can still make money from it. The tracking bugs now discovered can be used see how long it takes the grays to grow from the time of insemination to the time of mutilation. Harvesting body parts one and two days after retrieving the implanted gray, means to me something is not going right, and more genetic material is required to rectify the problem.

If the gray's loose enough implanted cows (from the farmers sending to slaughter the cows with tracking bugs), they will eventually cut their losses and move on to another area. The fact that they drop the dead cows back on the farm, manner wise is some kind of a warning to the farmer to keep his mouth shut, or the same thing will happen to you, kind of like when the mob cut off the horses head and placed it in that guys bed? Taking things at night is what they do best, however its up to the farmer if he wants risk any kind of retribution. Getting rid of all the cows is one method where there should not be any retribution.

What I don't like about the grays that that mutilate cows is there is no compensation offered to the farmers for destroying the cows. In other abduction cases, there is sometimes some kind of compensation such as visions of the future, some psychic powers given, or some kind of knowledge exchange or conversation, but not in the case of mutilations. It's as if some grays are a little kinder than others. Some don't give a damn about us, and the ones that mutilate cows are doing it underhandedly, as if they don't want anyone to know.

Black helicopters, it was said that's its a race between the grays and black helicopters as to who gets to the cow first. The helicopters are there to monitor and I think kind of chase away the grays. If a helicopter is being used then the grays are probably picking several properties in the area, as helicopters (and the Huey's) are pretty slow, so have to be stationed reasonably close, so they also seem to be placed near areas of dense or frequent alien activity.

If they wanted the animal for eating purposes, then why throw away so much valuable meat and other organs with high nutrient values, such as the liver? Bill Uhouse said their method of consuming food was by painting the nutrients onto their skin (can't find the exact definition) but throwing away so much of it just doesn't work. The parts that are being taken are the parts with the highest cell reproduction value, not the parts with the most nutrient value, that is being left behind.

I think the aliens are smart enough to realize that we don't consider predators as the reason for cattle mutilation.

I have not heard of one case where a human was left behind like a cow. The only case where humans were reportedly dissected was the travis walton case. If they want the life force of the cow, that doesn't work for me, cause the animal will die without the internal parts they take anyway. Using the cow as a surrogate parent, takes some genetic manipulation of the cow's reproduction system. The alien is not born from the cow, but has to go through some test tube and late stage genetic manipulation, and is born later. The initial conceiving most likely is done in a test tube, then implanted into the cow, then finalized in a lab with the leftover body parts.

Is it wide spread? Just look on your local carton of milk and tell me if you see any warning messages about drinking genetically modified milk?

Osmotrophy, that's the name of the Gray's (J Rod) feeding process.

Gigas, is your story posted on the forum somewhere?

It was my understanding that the cattle thing was all sowed up (sorry for the pun)
years ago when the police put a dead cow out in a field and watched it for a few days- blow flies- ate the exposed mucus areas and utters- precision, no foot prints etc...
I recently saw the late (seldom aired) season 3 episode dark presence so I heard about the orange orbs, but the body of a deformed grey inside the cow? Tracking chips? Where did this info come from?

I'm a little behind the game, but I just watched the Cattle Mutilation Episode. As someone who has a degree in Biology, and actually extracted eyes from deceased cattle for dissection, I can say that it is an intensely messy, and difficult undertaking. To extract the eye (and to keep it intact), one would have to break the bones of the eye-socket. There is no evidence of this on the mutilated cows; everything is intact except for the missing soft tissues. It is possible that they simply took the eye out, but then to remove it in pieces would have caused a bunch of liquid spillage (the vitreous fluid of the eye is sort of thick, and would surely have spilled onto the fur of the animal). A cow eye is 3-4 inches in diameter, so I find it hard that they'd get it out in one piece without some damage to the eye, and physical evidence being left behind. I also find it odd, that the cow tongue had been removed from the back of the throat (to get a knife back there, would be a pain in the ass, and one would likely have to break the cow's jaw to do so - again, that makes no sense).

I do think that it is possible for scavengers to eat the other remains after the first day, but the rest really doesn't add to me (speaking from a Biologist perspective). My scientific mind can find no reasonable explanation for these occurrences.

Farm animals have become a weakened species, we have taken away 'natural selection,' also their immune system doesn't have to do anything because medicine does it for them, and they don't need to walk for food and water, to shelter, or to find their own kind. We do it all for them, so it seems very probable to me that aliens, greys or whatever you want to call them are either experimenting to see just how bad in the extreme our farming practices are having on species, or are taking out the weakest of the group so to protect the future of the herd, they could even be taking out only the ones that would harm humans more than the others if eaten.
We have to look at all UFO and visitation subjects from the view point of the unknown origin life forms, not our own. Its obvious they don't need cattle parts and theyre only doing these things (that we know of) to animals farmed for human consumption, theyre helping us out with what we refused to consider, which is we are weakening all animals we farm.

Lets think about this for a minute. One thing I've learned in human forensics, is if a human is involved there will always be something left behind.

The same logic goes for predators, who never ever bother to cover up their tracks. Its just not something coyotes and wolves do.

What else would that leave us?

The government wouldn't advertise what their doing, unless your willing to acknowledge some conspiracy theories are true and others are not.