July, 20 2011 hello to ET progress report.

glider wrote:

Hello OC and All,

It is T+ 15 minutes. There was no ET showing so I move that this project be formally closed.

:/
Thats a shame.
I had partly cloudy skies, so i dont know
if i saw one or not
But, Hopefully, ET's were saying high mentally, like someone had said, they commonly use talepathy?

Hello All,

ET did not show up. This was not a big surprise to most of us. Across the Forums, other than an occasional meteor and a couple of isolated unknowns, the skies were quiet and, other than celestial bodies, virtually empty. But this first step had an extremely important message attached which has been stated many times. That being the fact that a believer, any believer, will begin to realize many things personally, and collectively, as a result of this exercise.

I'm figuring first off that the "Why Are They Here?" question is out for the time being. So does this mean that ET's no-show means nonexistence?
That could be a close call for some believers IMHO. Why ET didn't show I feel should take center stage for the time being. There will be conjecture of course but the subject would be indicative of getting the dialogue pared down into a size that one can get their mind around.

Focusing on why Aliens did not display themselves as opposed to they don't exist should garner the best minds in the genre to dig deeper because of the new slant on this enigma. Different doors may open and there may even be room for science. The important thing is to keep going and not let up. Most of you know by now that gathering like minds together to take action is something that has already be done and is part of your UFO history now. It's something to build on not to rest on.

1) The invasion, enslavement, destruction, and many more of the concerns and fears of ET within the UFO community did NOT happen. And "Be careful what you wish for" no longer applies. It never did apply actually but did serve as a barometer in registering how high the level of fear was for some of the community. A phrase like that can also generate fear where there once was none.

2) Anyone who was fearful WRT ET before the Event can now rest in the fact that an unknown, while eliciting a natural apprehension, need not stall anyone's efforts in pursuing a goal. Projecting a future outcome without facts is normal but to have a "what if" rule one's life and decisions in making progress, based on imagination driven by fear, makes little sense and left unchecked can freeze an individual into doing nothing. The Forum memberships demonstrate this rather obviously.

It cannot be allowed to control a strive for Truth and the manipulation of that fear by others should never be tolerated and, in fact, such ancient and archaic practices should be rooted out and exposed in order that a community can free itself to get active in order to acquire good solid knowledge to use for future endeavors.

3) Taking action as an individual WORKS and don't ever allow anyone to tell you different! If someone shows up that has a sensible, and most importantly logical and harmless, approach in pursuit of a truth most are aligned with then at least hear the idea out before criticism. I hope my efforts have helped in this area.

4) Victory over fear to me would be the ultimate goal in this project and is a good healthy, basic reason to continue to in getting the real ET or no ET answer. It's OK to refuse to take "no" for an answer. From ANY SOURCE. Be persistent and have a good logical, down-to-Earth argument as to why someone should provide that answer.

To address whether or not 7/20 was a success? I say from the courage I noted across the Forums, and the last minute responses even from members I had never seen during the previous five months, as well as the many,many familiar ones, that this project, for what it was, was a tremendous sucess. No ET but a LOT of Humans joining and being interested and actually getting involved and actively participating at all hours of the day and night! How amazing is that? And from Forums no less- who knew? YOU do now and I will say what I've always thought from the beginning....The day was huge!

I cannot express in words what all of you have meant to this undertaking and to me. My tin hat is off to all of you and occasionally I will be stopping in with a post now and then. In the meantime you people have the ball and, from what I've truly seen, the will, and now the mechanism, to accomplish great things in arriving at the Truth of this strange and long-lasting mystery. I'll be around for the remainder of this week to take any medicine anyone wishes to dish out and then take a respite from a constant nearly half-year project that is now over.

I respectfully and sincerely give all of you the best in any future endeavors and may your answers come to you quickly and with undeniability!

Regards, hiflier.

Well I set the alarm and woke the grandson,
We went out and flashed the lights at the sky. Nice stars thought. I am going to do it again tonite just to make sure.
Cause you never know.

Davefair

Hello All,
Thanks to Only Child's idea the subject of ET has been reduced to two approaches:

1) ET does not exist. In which everyone can quit and go home! And

2) If ET does exist then WHY did they not show up?.
If one is a believer in ET then the only debate left is "WHY the no-show".

Onlychild's idea did exactly what it was supposed to do. And knowing this would be the outcome was why I, even as a non-believer, saw the logical benefit of the project to the ET-believing community. I mean, if ET exists and DID show then a whole separate dynamic and set of questions would come into play which are now useless. So if you believe in ET you now have one (and only one!) question left: Why the no-show?

If anyone has done any serious research into the subject of ET this will put a spin on your information that one did not have before. This is why I consider the project a success. The result is the simplification of the enigma. Non existence vs. a reason for not showing. All other subjects and discussions no longer apply. If anyone truly gives this some honest thought then this conclusion will be obvious and the value of "onlychild's" project will be realized.

Consider this to be my last and final contribution to the "Say Hello to ET" project.

Regards, hiflier. Over....and out.

Hello OC,

I know but then, towards the end of it, it was becoming a bit of a one sided dialogue as it was. It's really because of the outcome. The project has all but destroyed the discussion. I'm not just joking here. Yes, it has been five weeks. There is still plenty of ET/UFO talk around but to many it probably isn't much fun any more. No one has been able to give even a decent assumption as to the reason for the no show.

In truth though, I've been doing nothing to stimulate any conversation in that particular regard as I feel it's a bit premature to push too hard too soon. The project has created some mental gymnastics folks have never had before. I figure maybe sometime in Oct. pick it up again and see if some more talking in circles might stir an interest in the subject of ET's absence on 7/20.

As far as this Forum goes the subject should be an opening up of some ideas to pursue but it kind of demonstrates that, realistically, no one has a clue about ET. Nor of UFOs either for that matter! Your project has, I do believe, worked it's magic in stifling a lot of people by reducing a general willingness to put forth the usual speculations or try to turn opinions into reality. I find more and more want FACTS! And there are few

IMHO it was a job well done and well worth the effort. Given time it is possible (and ONLY possible) that a true and important exchange of healthy ideas may take place because all the frivalrous conjecture and what has passed for truth has been and continues to be exposed. Of course only time will tell.

Hello OC,

You know how it is sometimes when something seems a bit off but one can't quite put a finger on what it is? Well, this is one of those. By that I mean your picture. I've said it before but now it seems more relavent than before. ET blew it, not us. AND if your life is as closely monitored as you think that it is then you like the generations before you for 5300 years heve been left in the dark because of them. Are "they" smart? Not smart enough to correct their mistake! They've have certainly had the time to do so.

Why would an ET race find such importance in us and this planet to show up during a potentially anhialating event and NOT for a NEARLY anhialating one? It makes no sense; especially since the resulting human mindset is so counterproductive to what would seem to be an extremely important relational understanding WRT to the reason they show up. The whole thing has been sort of gnawing at me because something just doesn't sit right.

Not to say that you are wrong at all! I'm simply having some difficulty coming up with something that logically makes any sense. I'm getting the impression in your picture of the current situation (as it is based on the past) that you are being too kind in assuming that this is the way it is because it's what "they" want. I couldn't disagree more on the point. Letting ET of the hook is to roll over and let them get away with a rather serious mistake! THEY need to correct this not you or anyone else and waiting until the next destructive event just is NOT good enough!

If they are monitoring you I do think it's time to tell them you're not playing the game and call them on their error. I've mentioned this before but even you can possess a blind eye. ET was wrong in not showing! Things sound like it was certainly bad enough for the Clovis Culture and others to warrant at least a program that would maintain the knowledge of when and why they show up without having someone spend 38 years of their life dragging it out of them.

Something is just a bit off the mark here but I do know that in any relationship, perhaps even a Cosmic one that when there are problems it always takes TWO. I've said it before and I'll say it again. ET blew it and apparently have no interest in correcting the error! At least to me it seems the most plausible and simpler senario. Are we at fault? According to you, and perhaps others, then yes we are. Is ET at fault? YES!!!! "THEY" are the reason the whole thing got skewed in the first place.

Only Child, do me a favor, read this post twice before replying.

Sooo ... while we wait for a reply ... what is the deeper picture we are looking at? Below is an excerpt from professor David Keirsey's book: Please Understand Me II. I believe this is the picture we need to get around, because "IF" we are soon to get our collectives asses kicked (and IF is the middle word in LIFE) - we do need to wake up.

I base this idea on my own life, where more originally I was doing well with putting a picture together, however, there was still an unknown factor I was dealing with that I probably never would have seen. I was, it seems, deliberately "set up" with a "teaching" scenario "they" knew would cause an epic fail on my part, and I did not disappoint them - I failed epically. The idea is, like what is popping up from Glider who basically is saying what I had been saying during rant events: Are THEY wrong - or are WE wrong? After the failure, and over the last 5+ years, I went from thinking, to thinking about what was thinking about, to thinking about what I was thing about regarding what I originally thought about - and it goes on from there.

I was wrong - I got over it - I continued on. Now, using the picture floating around here, why did "they" have to hit me so hard with this - umm, makes a better impression? Strict is STILL in the picture, I didn't like it "I" would have done it differently, I looked like a complete jackass, but I dealt with it. Were "they" wrong in their approach - maybe by our standards, but it seems this is the way they are (whoever THEY are).

The component parts we are dealing with are those that involve every aspect of thinking - and we are well equipped to handle this - but, we don't. The picture is simple ...

One day I was sitting on the picnic table smoking a butt and looking down on the ground. There were two ants fighting over a piece of food, soon joined by a third and fourth ant. This battle was unbelievable - and frankly was driving me nuts. I wanted to flick them with my finger and send them scurrying away, but what would have been the point? They cannot see beyond base instincts, and will wind up in another battle at some point in the future.
Animals are more developed, but they still don't have a brain that let's them see beyond a certain point. We are endowed with a brain that does allow us to think deeply, but our problem is - we don't. It isn't that we can't, we just don't. If we can, and we aren't, logic would dictate that our first problem is realizing that we aren't, figure out why we aren't, and then DO IT. At this point statements arise like: "But I'm not like you, I'm different - I can't do that." How do you know unless you try? IF we are in the middle of a major problem, I think it would be worthwhile to try and find out what is going on. Either that, or you can take the stance below and go about your business. Make a choice - you will ultimately reap the results.


If you do not want what I want, please try not to tell me that my want is
wrong.
Or if my beliefs are different from yours, at least pause before you set
out to correct them.
Or if my emotion seems less or more intense than yours, given the
same circumstances, try not to ask me to feel other than I do.
Or if I act, or fail to act, in the manner of your design for action,
please let me be.
I do not, for the moment at least, ask you to understand me. That will
come only when you are willing to give up trying to change me into a copy
of you.
If you will allow me any of my own wants, or emotions, or beliefs, or
actions, then you open yourself to the possibility that some day these ways
of mine might not seem so wrong, and might finally appear as right-for
me. To put up with me is the first step to understanding me.
Not that you embrace my ways as right for you, but that you are no
longer irritated or disappointed with me for my seeming waywardness.
And one day, perhaps, in trying to understand me, you might come to prize
my differences, and, far from seeking to change me, might preserve and
even cherish those differences.
I may be your spouse, your parent, your offspring, your friend, your
colleague. But whatever our relation, this I know: You and I are fundamentally
different and both of us have to march to our own drummer.

While the above is fundamentally true, these are extenuating circumstances. Time to pool our resources?

Prove me wrong, and I go away - happily I might add LOL ...

Hello Only Child,

"WE" are waiting for a reply to what? A reply to someone who insists on remaining in the box they built? There is, nor can there be a reply, that would do much but continuously give you a platform on which to keep repeating the same things over and over. And for what? "WE" get it by now. The entire enchalada as you have laid it out. In my case anyway for ten months now. And believe me that's perfectly fine- to a point. What "we" could use is some proof of which even you say there is little. Not enough to support the entire concept anyway. There is a little to support each point maybe but not enough for the whole.

What you say could very well be true! I'm not the one to say it isn't. But it's like a lot of things out there that folks claim but also cannot prove. I can even go along with it like anything else! But what I tire of is the absolute insistance on returning to the same dialogue no matter what else gets presented. A virtual dismissal of anything not within your picture.

I certainly, and do readily, appreciate the depth of how this concept of yours came into being so don't mistake this for unrecognizing your talent or intelligence on this subject. It really is an amazing idea and the efforts at arriving to your conclusions is beyond commendable! In fact it's rather awe-inspiring and a tremendous example of retrospection coupled with a large portion of logic. But it's hardly the point I making.

It seems that no matter the dialogue your argumentative side comes out and the subject gets subsequently steered around back to your picture. I post something you counter it. And we end up on your square again. I mention the idea that this whole thing is ET's fault and we end up back on your square AGAIN. It's as if you cannot have a conversation without it returning to your constructivist experiences and the shape of things according to your research.

That's fine and there is a great deal of knowledge in that brain of yours to be sure. But I think that there is much more in there too and if not, at least humor me when some idiotic, tangential, or even non-tangential, idea comes up just to change the landscape on the Forum for a moment or two. At least for this thread anyway. Maybe this thread is done as the project is over and something new can begin in it's stead.

There was some interest out there in revisiting the idea of contact so maybe the 11/11/11 thing could be a follow-up exercise to allow our friends in the Southern Hemisphere a crack at good weather for the renewed exercise. Perhaps a poll of sorts with an opening up of ideas for a format by others would work. Plus it would be only 2 months out and now that everyone is familiar with the idea the dialogue might not be so negative! Kinda give us something to do for the Fall season.

It's important that you take this all-to-winded post as a positive thing in every respect for that is my intent here- to be as positive as I possibly can and hopefully at the same time ensure that our friendship remains sound and also on the positive side. And as a final thought: ET WAS wrong!

Peace OC, glider.

Hello OC,

OK, and thanks for being cool. Yes, I hear you and I too am concerned with people and their seeming propensity for going astray on the slightest whim! It's another layer in why I stayed with the Forums through thick and thin during the project. I not only felt it was critical for the effort to end confusion as you did I KNEW it was. The UFO/ET subject has without a doubt been stalled for the most part and narrowed to something much simpler with I do think less fear.

But I have to agree that IF "something is coming" in the manner you have proposed then ALL discussion is pointless. Except the discussion that bears down hard on proving such an event. Maybe instead of inviting ET a second time the effort of the minds on this Forum should get involved in researching other evidence of annihilation (thanks, I think I've finally spelled it correctly! ) although how to start such a task is beyond me.

Anyone have a suggestion?

Along the line of doing research I've stumbled upon an interesting approach. Maybe you caught it on another thread here. It went something like this:

I was reading about physical evidence of UFO existence. I was looking at reports from the 1950s. I was reading about the UFO flap of 1952 and how a pilot was chasing an "glowing disc" approximately two feet across. The pilot supposedly shot off a chunk of it which, while still "glowing" fell to the ground and was recovered. During my reading I also came across a gentleman, Wilbert B. Smith, in around the same time frame who was a sort of the designated UFO "go-to" in Canada.

Evidently someone interviewed him and he spoke of fragments that his group had been analyzing which included the fragment from the "glowing disc". It was determined to be a "matrix of magnesium orthosilicate". I found this to be remarkable in and of itself because I was also looking into the story that unfolded after the Supposed UFO crash at Ubatuba in Brazil in 1975. The fragments collected were analyzed and found to be nearly pure magnesium- Magnesium 26 to be exact. I typed in a search for Magnesium 26 and found this little report from 1954:

http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v95/i1/p99_1

I felt it was coincindental that this report from 1954 were the results of an analysis of Magnesium 26 only 2yrs. after the "glowing" fragment was recovered outside Washington D.C. in 1952. In the interview which took place in 1961 Wilbert stated that when he returned the fragment it was not to the USAF or the CIA but to "into the hands of a highly classified group".

This is why I say that stuff from archives if handled correctly will shed more light on the UFO phenom than what is around from say, 1960 to the present. Just my 2 cents.

Hello Only Child,

When I'm presented with a problem to solve I do the exact same thing. I have to write it down or talk it out. Otherwise it just cycles in my head ad infinitum. And as boring as it may seem to some, everytime someone interjects something WRT the issue at hand I very carfully if possible dissect their input for clues to fill in the blanks. This often requires going over everything from the beginning.

On the astronomy Forum I have a signature that states "Everything Matters". It's because I truly believe that that is a true statement and not ambiguous at all. In problem or mystery evaluations that phrase says it all. It is the only way to not miss something although, almost in spite, things still get missed. I do not envy your "road" but appreciate your candidness and ability to share it.

Actually,
My two good friends, ponder this, those in side the box do not know they are in the box. The appearance of E.T. is not on our schedule but on thiers. Consider the phoenix sighting, the former governor comes out and says,"I saw it too, but I made fun of it!"
The airforce covers up by sending planes to drop flares and hour later and says, oh thats what you saw.
We look to the furhtur and see some thing comming, all of the signs are there and yet, you and I know no fear. The event will be life changing or perhaps life ending. Yet E.T. shows up in strange places and times. Over major air ports all around the world.
What better place to Embark for those who would go. Then there are those of us who will stay.
My thought is not an ending but a new begining. perhaps, I will live to see it. I know in my heart that I have lived a life time waiting to see it. O.C. my thanks for guiding me to it.

davefair