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 Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up

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PostSubject: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up Cover Up   Fri Sep 04, 2009 3:31 am

I watched a copy of the Aztec 1948 program the other night and wanted a little time for things to sink in before I opened a discussion.

Has anyone else seen this media or at least familiar with the incident?

http://www.aztecufo.com/crash.htm

http://redstarfilms.blogspot.com/2007/01/aztec-1948.html

Review - http://www.amazon.com/Aztec-1948-Artist-Not-Provided/dp/B0007TKNWE

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PostSubject: Re: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up   Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:48 am

Yes it is a great story. And it has it all. The proximity to White Sands NM, is of interest. The solid witnesses, the timeframe. There are many synonymous claims, that are eerily similar to Roswell. What really bugs me with all of these crash stories though, is the supposed fact that these craft can travel here from who knows where, through the harshness of space/time, and still Crash into our Earth! Then the descriptions of the material that makes up these craft, is said to be indestructible. I don't doubt that its possible and maybe has happened, but I wonder if there are ETs who unfortunately have craft built by the Earth equivalent to the "Russian Space Program"?
Seriously though, does anyone know of any good sources of information on the whys and wherefors of UFOs crashing? Radar control Units are suspects. I realize it is all theory, but that is intriguing to me. I wonder if our EM Earth is unfriendly to their propulsion/directional systems. Who knows if they even have those systems. Did we shoot them down? I shutter to think. I guess I gotta get Feschino's second book.
It is frustrating, but the historical significance of the IPU, MJ-12, BlueBook Grudge, and others we will never hear about, all point to the need for cleanup crews for "retrievals the 3rd Kind". That seems to be consistent.
I have always wanted to go to this particular site, and someday I will, its officially on my "places to go" list!
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PostSubject: Re: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up   Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:46 pm

Stanton Friedman addresses the crash causality issue in the program. With a shrug he basically states that hey, S**t happens and everyone loses some in the grand scheme of things because it's not a perfect universe. It's just the cost of doing business.

He also says that he can't imagine there NOT being visitations in that area during that time frame due to Atomic detonation, high altitude rockets and ? (something else).

Essentially if there were neighbors that kept on eye on progress, this would be the time of greatest interest because "the natives are restless" and might go exploring elsewhere.

Personally, I think some of these were shot down with high powered MAZERS etc. The possibility of an underground manufacturing plant isnt beyond belief either.

The author makes a good point with this story, that it's the "Roswell that got done right" and they learned from their previous mistakes.


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PostSubject: Re: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up   Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:54 pm

MarksBrother, a good book on crashes is Major Kevin Randle's book "A History of UFO Crashes". He writes about many of the crashes that are known, and writes about the Aztec NM crash. The crash is a know hoax, and there are many shady characters connected to it. Aztec was debunked a while back, but the internet has brought this turkey back to life.

Many of the crashes from the late 1940s and 1950s are unfortunately hoaxes.
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PostSubject: Re: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up   Fri Sep 04, 2009 5:59 pm

The Aztec hoax got its start in the book "Behind the Flying Saucers", published in 1950. J P Kahn a reporter who was working on a story for True Magazine in 1952 investigated the story and found it to be a hoax.

The story of the hoax is actually more interesting than the alien crash itself.
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PostSubject: Re: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up   Fri Sep 04, 2009 7:50 pm

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The Aztec hoax got its start in the book "Behind the Flying Saucers", published in 1950. J P Kahn a reporter who was working on a story for True Magazine in 1952 investigated the story and found it to be a hoax.

Yes the hoax is covered in the program. Silas Newton and Leo GeBauer were sheisters and went to prison.

Watch the utube program to get an idea of the amount of research this investigator has put in to re opening the possibility.

The information uncovered about the radar installations, the road that was put in for the recovery that was not on any maps until now, the mysterious concrete slab that was poured on the site for a crane support, the witnesses who gave testimony after living in fear of reprisal, the police who were on location . . all smoking guns. Out of 400 pages in the FBI file on Leo GeBauer, only 200 have been declasiffied. So why would a con man have 200 pages redacted for "national security reasons and the defense of the USA"?

The thread focus is whether or not anyone has seen the evidence in light of the new research by Scott Ramsey - a Paul Kimble film from March 2003.

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PostSubject: Re: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up   Fri Sep 04, 2009 10:27 pm

Lots of people still believe in the Aztec crash. From what I can tell it is most likely a hoax, though I give it a very slim possibility of having a bit of truth to it. So far as NM goes, my favorite UFO tales are the Farmington Armada, the Lonnie Zamora sighting and the landing at Manzano Base. I think I am pretty burnt out on Roswell at this point.

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PostSubject: Re: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up   Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:30 pm

Lesley wrote:
I think I am pretty burnt out on Roswell at this point.

Amen to that. I don't have any particular bias about Aztec one way or the other, I just find the depth of research by a man who doesn't appear to be a crackpot fairly compelling.

He spent a lot of time and his own money going to the sites and interviewing anyone that is still alive.

The story is presented up front as a believed hoax and the logic and rationale for new consideration fairly corroborated.

If anyone is fairly well versed in acquiring media from the internet you may PM me and I will tell you how I found the program.


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PostSubject: Re: Aztec 1948 - Crash and Clean Up \ Cover Up   Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:01 pm

I know that Roswell has been done to death, which is why I usually stick to the main investigators such as Stanton Friedman and Major Kevin Randle. They are the best at what they do, and are not afraid to tell it like it is. Maj Randle is especially one to state that something is a hoax, and he gets a lot of flak from other investigators in ufology.

As for Aztec, all of the information is second hand. There are some interesting parts, but I am one to think it could be an offshoot of the Roswell event. Fox Mulder, you are correct that this case does need to be looked at further, if not for the people involved. It is still interesting even if it is a hoax. Could it of been a government plant to steer people away from Roswell if they did not swallow the weather balloon theory? (Once word got out Aztec was a hoax, people would think Roswell was a hoax also.)
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