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PostSubject: The debris of the Roswell crash   Mon Sep 14, 2009 4:08 pm

As I think about what happened at Roswell, more ideas pop into my head (not always good ones!). If a Project Mogul test balloon with measuring instruments were what really crashed, why would the military cordon off the area? The materials used (including measuring devices) were not classified and could of been brought in by a detail. Or the military could of asked the ranchers to bring in what they found as they found it. Most of the stuff would of been useless debris that the military would of scrapped. Since no one was hurt and since there was no immediate danger (except for livestock eating balloon materials), there would not of been a need for urgency.

Remember, this happened on the Fourth of July weekend, and many military people would of been on leave. While it still would of been dealt with, it would not of had a very high priority.

I state these facts as a former member of the military. I do know how they react when a jet crashes, but a balloon would be quite different.
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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Mon Sep 14, 2009 6:02 pm

kidflash2008 wrote:
As I think about what happened at Roswell, more ideas pop into my head (not always good ones!). If a Project Mogul test balloon with measuring instruments were what really crashed, why would the military cordon off the area? The materials used (including measuring devices) were not classified and could of been brought in by a detail. Or the military could of asked the ranchers to bring in what they found as they found it. Most of the stuff would of been useless debris that the military would of scrapped. Since no one was hurt and since there was no immediate danger (except for livestock eating balloon materials), there would not of been a need for urgency.

Remember, this happened on the Fourth of July weekend, and many military people would of been on leave. While it still would of been dealt with, it would not of had a very high priority.

I state these facts as a former member of the military. I do know how they react when a jet crashes, but a balloon would be quite different.


Excellent points, Kidflash. I never thought about this most interesting points that you made, while all that you stated above is very true, especially the parts about that it was the forth of July weekend and why is a test ballon, testing upper atmosphere weather, so damn impotant. On top of all this is the fact that the base commander gave his personal "O.K." to release to the press that a UFO had crashed at Roswell, only to do a 180 the following day. On top on all this, they went to the trouble to photograph and document a busted weather balloon for the convenience of the press (?????). Something so innocent & unimportant as a standard weather balloon ????

Remember this was the 1940's and there were no UFO concerns at all as far as the military was concered. There was no UFO history, experiences to mention at that time, so there was no standard operations procedure to follow.

Something very, very, very different and stange happened on that day to generate so much interest from the military.

Remember the event in Pennsylvania I think it was in the '50's or '60's and eye witnesses watched as an object falling from the sky and crashed in the woods. The phones rang like crazy at the local radio station and the station dispatched a reporter to the scene. A crowd had formed and the police were trying to keep the people from going deeper into the woods to see this object. That reporter was able to make it almost to the object when he was ordered by the military to get out and leave the area. The reporter was amazed at the number of military man power and equipment at the scene.
Later the reporter claimed that he was visited by "government plain suits" and ordered him to stop any and all reporting of what he witnessed on that night and actually threatened him and his family if he did not cooperate.

He, out of total fear stopped all reporting about that night and eventually moved away. Years later he was found in California dead on a roadway.
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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Tue Sep 15, 2009 10:20 pm

ALBERT, the other incident you refer to is the Kecksburg PA crash of 1965. One of the best pieces of evidence was found by researcher Kevin Randle. He found out that Operation Moon Dust was activated. (Project Moon Dust was the name of the still active Air Force agency that picks up foreign objects at crash sites. After its discovery by use of the Freedom of Information Act, the name was changed to another still classified name.)

It is the small things that all add up to make the case for the big picture. One should act like Lt Columbo when it comes to all the small pieces of the puzzle. It just does not add up when one applies a little logic to the stories given us.
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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Wed Sep 16, 2009 11:54 am

So it seems the government, via the military, does not show any interest and/or acknowledge by their presence, reports of sightings, unless some type of physical evidence is left behind.

If a report of a sighting is reported, and the only evidence is verbal documentation, the government/military find no need to get involved and show a physical presence and just let the report (individual) go through all the usual public speculations of just being "kooks", publicity seekers and so on.

But let there be physical evidence, as in the Pennsylvania case in 1965,
and then the military gets involved and swoops in to retriveve said evidence and start a disinfomation campaign.

Does anyone know, in order to test my above theory, of a person who made the claim of a sighting with physical evidence left behind, where the government showed up & demanded to see the evidence, and only discovered that the individual was propagating a hoax ?
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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:37 pm

The military claims it does not deal with UFOs since the closure of Project Blue Book. The CIA and other government alphabet agencies also state the same thing.

There are many incidents where the military and government has held back information or has been involved with sightings and other events. Much of the information is anecdotal, and can be found in many books and some other sites. Frank Warren had a military retiree from a missile base tell his story about what he saw. There was OSI and other government agencies telling people to keep their mouths shut.

http://www.theufochronicles.com/search?q=missile+base

The above blog is difficult to get individual articles. There are several interesting stories there.
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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Sat Oct 03, 2009 5:21 pm

Hi Everyone, I had a friend that was in the Military and said he worked with the balloon projects but never said anything of Project Mogul or Roswell. We talked to each other via Ham Radio every weekend. I don't know if he was not able to talk about it for some reason but I just nearly know he worked with Project Mogul. I'm just rambling but you never know. Good hunting all and be safe.

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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:53 pm

Search Coil, Project Mogul itself was not classified. There are papers and notes with the name that have been found with no security classification. The balloons and instruments used were not classified either. The materials would of been treated just like any other crash debris that wasn't a jet or plane. Another words, it would not receive any special treatment. The rancher would of been told to bring it in, or if he was busy they would of sent a base detail out to collect it when they had the time. It would not of required any security if it was such items.

The base DCM would of dealt with the debris, and if something were salvageable, it would of been done so at the base. Other than that, the debris would of been ash canned or sent to DMRO so they could sell the scrap. This is a case that has many unanswered smaller questions such as this one. It is the small and tiny holes that create the most problems for the government's case it was a balloon.
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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Sun Oct 04, 2009 2:54 pm

BTW, if I had never been in the military, I would believe the balloon theory and think the Roswell crash people were all of the tin foil hat crowd. My experiences in the maintenance part of it allow me to look at these cases a little different than civilians do.
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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Mon Oct 05, 2009 7:17 am

Hi Kid, actually I have never beleived that it was a balloon either. There is much more to it. I have never been in the military but have been around it due to friends and working with Air Force personnell. Ok I am going to sign out Dah Dit Dah.

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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:13 pm

I do hope you one day get in contact with your friend and get some information about Roswell. This is one story that will not die, and with good reason: an extraterrestrial craft crashed in New Mexico and the government and military have covered it up.
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PostSubject: Re: The debris of the Roswell crash   Mon Oct 05, 2009 3:29 pm

Hi kid, that's a negative, unfortunately he has since passed on. He was a good man. Ok cu later kid and be safe.

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PostSubject: more docs released   Tue Sep 20, 2011 7:14 pm

http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/05/roswell-debris-confirmed-as.html
if true has support and facts on how reverse engineering worked
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PostSubject: Re engineer what   Sat Jun 09, 2012 1:07 pm

jackgbowman wrote:
http://ufocon.blogspot.com/2009/05/roswell-debris-confirmed-as.html
if true has support and facts on how reverse engineering worked

Dont you think if the government had reverse engineer a UFO in 50 years youd see them in combat just for propaganda value alone. Just like the super secret B1 and F117 you would see them everywhere. Being capitalist you would want to make some very big bucks on the ideas. At some point they need to be used in daylight and you couldnt hide em. Area51 has more cameras on it than London England all them owed by lookyloos. I would say you are spinning your wheels if you think the government is hiding them as you well know our government isnt good at hiding anything. Our secrets can be found on Al Jezra and they take notes just watch the show. If you want re engineering go to Russia they copy everthing we do in aircraft.
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