Dulce this week

I hear from Norio Hayakawa that the Dulce episode will be airing this week. I checked History Channel and they don't seem to have any video preview or even listing for upcoming shows anymore. Anyhow, I think that information is likely correct since Norio will be on the show.

Zap2it is still showing the Dulice ep for this week and the Grey's Conspiracy for the 4/1.

Yes, Dulce is scheduled for this week, unless the network has changed the schedule. Norio is one of our guests, presenting his theory about the base and telling his story of being detained by the police when he visited there with a Japanese television crew years ago. We have some other guests and a chilling photo of what may be going on there.

It was hard to tell how close Kevin and Pat were able to get to the structure/Antenne farm. Also, how much time did there guide allow for them to explore there. I get the feeling their time was limited.

After this episode I am left with a few questions. I see that John Leer was on the program for about a whole 2mins or so. I dont know wether to believe anything he says or not. I know he is a decorated pilot that has a connection with Bob Lazar. I dont what to think about Bob, Stanton Friedman called him out on his past history and he never answered back on it. But I think I saw a vid. on some show where Bob and John were at a spot near 51 where they videotaped the UFOs by the govs. control taking off in the night. I think Bob said "I am a dead man" and laughed while doing this with John in the background, but he didnt have the camera in time to catch this so called take off.... SO this brings me to wether the John L. part is even credible.
As far as the cows being used to host experiments I am not sure. I mean why are helicopters taking cows out of fields and then dropping their dead bodies off again to be found with a hybrid fetus in them. I dont think if the gov. is taking random people cows and doing experiments on them, I mean they can afford to have their own private stock. I was watching a show a week or so ago on history channel I think where it interviewed a guy who said he found out what was taking his cows and dropping them off again. He said he looked like a UFO but it had rotors atop it and they would take it and then drop it from the sky w/ certain organs missing from it, He could tell it was dropped cause of the broken spine in it. So this leaves me confused on this issue. He thinks it was a helicopter messing around but it would scare the cows away if you dropped from the sky with a loud helicopter and then wrangled one to be hooked up and taken away. I am not sure of this.
As far as the moutain goes I dont know, it would take TONS of materials hauled in to make the secrect base. It would be a even grander scale than the resort nuclear fallout. I would have to know the population of the town in the time built, 40s, 50s, 60s, to see if there would be many people around to even see this going on. Overall this epidsode left me w/ questions and makes me think.

Also as far as gases coming from vents from the mountains being found I have a theory on it. They could use a AC system to cool the exhaust before they are released so that they dont show heat signatures on fleer camera. You would see steam coming out of the ground in the air cause of the cold climate around the area. There was snow on the ground so you know it had to be 40degrees or so whatever the temp. is for ice and snow to freeze before it melts. Vents could be well hidden to look like rocks, I ve seen outdoor speakers at Lowe's that look like rocks so that you dont notice them. You couldnt even tell if you were 6feet from them.

I have to agree with the cow senerio. If this secret base is capable of hiding as well as it does and able to perform the experiments claimed, they have a way to dispose of their "errors" as well. As far as haveing vents in the mountain, they are not needed with air scrubbers. We use a less technical scrubber for construction in occupied spaces.

Here are examples to make this theory plausible.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oxygen_generator

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scrubber

I forgot to mention. As soon as I heard the name of the area, my first thought was why. Why name it Archuleta Mesa? Archuleta basicly means, "wide place where oak trees grow" or "oak hollow". So why? Every place has a name for a reason.

BTW, here is the tower registration info for the mesa.

http://wireless2.fcc.gov/UlsApp/AsrSearch/asrResults.jsp?searchType=TRL

Notice only two towers are registered.

Archuleta Mesa is named after one of the first families to settle that area.

yes I have heard of air scrubbers so yes your theory seems more likely than mine. But there is so many Q's left from this episode. Bill seems certain that John's confidential guard's drawing are real and is telling Pat when he asks about them that he heard it from the mouth of John L. so its true. If I were to compare myself to anyone on this show it is Pat. I dont think the gov. is working with acutual live aliens. I do believe the Universe never ends and it would be stupid to think we are the only creatures there is. But what do I know I a just a simple civilian.

I was curious, maybe Bill will drop by and be able to answer this -- Gabe Valdez said that the cow fetus had been examined by a vet. I am assuming just a regular vet, but I wondered if there was any written report on his findings? Also, what became of the fetus after the examination?

Lesley wrote:

I was curious, maybe Bill will drop by and be able to answer this -- Gabe Valdez said that the cow fetus had been examined by a vet. I am assuming just a regular vet, but I wondered if there was any written report on his findings? Also, what became of the fetus after the examination?

-- still fussing around with the quote feature. Hope I have it right --

I will ask Bill, but from what I remember from the time of the shooting, the vet was interviewed, but wouldn't go on camera. Thoroughly freaked out. I will find out more or try to get Bill to post before he leaves for the next city.

Gabe Valdez ws very reluctant to talk about the photos and didn't want to show them because of the serious consequences that could befall the Apache reservation in Dulce. However, he showed the photos of the strange fetus, but refused to give us copies of them. He said that he had taken the fetus to a vet, but then was sorry he said that because the vet was his cousin and lived in Dulce. Now everyone's afraid and the lid has clamped down once again.

There may also be added pressure because at least one MIB or a disinformation specialist is now on the New Mexico State Police, and there's a worry that the entities behind what's happening at Dulce, and it may not be ETs, may seek some retribution.

Another expert we interviewed just today for our trace evidence episode said that the real need for cows is to test for mad cow disease, which is probably rampant among herds. They test for it by examining the soft tissue. They fan also use uninfected cow's blood to make the serum that stores human eggs used in in vitro fertilization. Because they need uninfected cows for this serum, the cattle mutilation is ongoing, as is the search for the cure for mad cow disease.

Alternatively, what if mad cow is a way to thin the human population, if filtered in properly.

You can just imagine the need to keep this secret.

We think this is, in part, what's happening at Dulce.

As I recall, cattle mutilations have taken place since the early 1970s, long before anyone had heard of mad cow disease. So if it is true that is what they are testing for 1) They have known about it for far longer than the public, or 2) They (whoever they are, government agencies, whatever) are the cause of it.

Again, it doesnt make since. Im not disagreeing with cattle mutilations. I just cant wrap my mind around the carcases being left behind for anyone to find. It just doesnt play into the M.O.

If this is done by aliens, then why leave such blatant evidence when they cover their tracks so well elsewhere.

If its goverment, why not cremate the evidence?

I tend to think cattle mutilation has more to do with the occult. It just doesnt fit the MO of Aliens or secret goverment experiments with the technology both have.

There are many reason as to why it would be left there. Assuming there are a couple people there doing whatever they do to the poor creatures - I am assuming they want to get in and out of there as soon as possible. In order to move the animal they would need several men to either hook it up and pull it out by copter or load it on a big truck driving through the field (with lights) to take it out. Either of those would attract attention and give enough time for someone to make it out there to see what is going on. There have been a few times when one of these cows seem to have been dropped from high up, suggesting that maybe they were trying to get them out so they wouldn't be found and perhaps something broke causing them to fall back to the ground.

I don't find the occult theory reasonable. These cuts are not made by common knives, but seem to be some sort of heat instrument, like a laser. Besides which, I can't imagine some group of people wandering around on someone's land in the middle of the night (sometimes during the day) and killing their cattle -- that type of stuff gets you shot in NM. They would need flashlights and would leave lots of footprints and blood. Most times there are no footprints leading to or from these sites and no blood.

Maybe. But it just dosnt add up right to me.

I know of several ways that you can get in, get out, undetected. No light needed.

I will succede to it being a mystery. I just cant accept it is by alien, goverment or a hybrid of both. Even with my limited training in comparision..........................

I would agree, it is a mystery. Maybe skinwalkers, they are known to frequent that area.

I've never really believed that there was anything going on in Dulce until I watched this episode. The fact that some of the residents of Dulce were hesitant to go into to much detail is more then enough proof for me.

As for the cattle mutilations, if the govt. or aliens are indeed taking the cattle and doing experiments with them, then leaving them in the field is probably the perfect way of covering their footsteps. The only people who would know anything odd is going on are the owners of the mutilated animal, those investigating the subject, and the mutilators. To the rest of the world it'll either be just another cow killed by natural means or something they just don't want to accept and they'll just go on with their lives as normal. So it's perfectly logical in my opinion if the mutilators don't want to put the extra time, effort, or money into disposing of the bodies. Also it's bit to their advantage leaving the bodies, because more then one cow just vanishing from a property would be more suspicious then just leaving a decayed looking corpse behind and would probably trigger a much larger investigation.

If you think about it, an Indian rez is the perfect place to hide a UFO base. I am not saying for certain there is one there, but it would be the perfect place. Because the native Americans consider aliens, ufos and other fortean creatures to be part of their ancient teachings and lore that they don't share with others. Obviously people like me would be poking around, taking photos and so on, but that is not their way.

Whether or not there is a base there, there are many strange things that occur in that entire four corners area. It also seems to have the largest concentration of ancient ruins, such as Mesa Verde and many others. I think there is a connection there, but I wouldn't be able to say exactly what it is.

BTW, I am happy you decided to join us Naveed!

Naveed you make some thoughtful points.

However, lets try and think like them.

Lets say that those of us present on this forum are a race, of superior inteligence, from a different planet. Our technology vastly surpasses that of this world. We are either acting on or own or are in cahoots with a secret goverment agency. We are doing experiments on different humans and animals around the planat. We place all different kinds of doodads (thats an Indian word for technical crap) in our subjects. We remove at our will from the bodies. Then when we are finished we wipe their memories. We can travel great distances in a blink of an eye and are pretty much in control. Yes we have lost a few ships along the way but hey, no one perfect. Now why in the world when we are so good about covering our track leave behind our mutilations? We can at a minimum, dispose of them in the outer atmosphere and let the remains burn up on re-entry. And why cattle? Would primates or hogs be a better choice?

They only reason I can come up with is, its their humor.

BTW, catttle disappear constantly and at an unbelievable number. Most are wrote off as from modern day rustlers or predators.

I know the mutilations are happening. Just not by those that are thought to be doing it. I think I would lean more to our regular goverment/military messing around with new weapons.

Yes we do have the technology and its not a secret.

Lesley wrote:

Whether or not there is a base there, there are many strange things that occur in that entire four corners area. It also seems to have the largest concentration of ancient ruins, such as Mesa Verde and many others. I think there is a connection there, but I wouldn't be able to say exactly what it is.

BTW, I am happy you decided to join us Naveed!

Thanks for the welcome Lesley. I've been kind of lurking for the last week or so.

Anyways the four corners area is definitely odd. Not only is there tons of weirdness, the history and amount of military bases in that part of the US is crazy. When I was living in Colorado Springs, CO I had an Air Force base, Army fort, and the Air Force Academy all nearby, like and hour or so my house. Not to mention NORAD wasn't that far away either. If there are any hidden military/alien bases, I'm sure at least one is in the four corners.

Jdurand:
Whether or not they are aliens or the government, I don't really know. I think though the evidence as you said probably points more towards government or military operations, however unusual they may be. They work on their own terms both within and outside laws and morals.

I wanted to add a couple more tidbits to the Dulce mystery. First, a reader has sent in an incredible photo of another child-cow thing, and I've posted it to our blog:

http://ufomagazine.squarespace.com/ufo-hunting-ground/2009/3/27/dulce-coincedence.html

Next, over at the Paratopia, Norio Hayakawa talks about the convention this weekend and a whole lot more:

http://paratopia.podbean.com/

The question is going to be: Is truth stranger than these fictions?

I love the CG in all the episodes but in this one, the underground base, I was reminded of the "hive" from The Umbrella cooperation in Resident Evil.

If you've noticed over the years that when NASA launched it's NEO orbital website tracking NEO's was shortly after the release of Armageddon and Deep Impact. It's important for our government to prepare us for things they feel is inevitable. To minimize chaos and panic. So, perhaps the Hive in Resident Evil was an outtake of the Dulce base.

If anyone ever saw Wag the Dog you'll know what I'm saying...the media prepares us for various truths and/or feeds us lies to repudiate the truths. I doubt they're alerting us to anything...the UFO Hunters certainly are trying but this is stuff no government, alien or of Earth would want us to know about. It easily explains all the missing people reports and cattle mutilations and it definitely explains the hush-hush following the shooting of this episode. It's one thing for the public to have "disclosure" of flying saucers but to know that there's this creepy little nest of mutants testing on our missing children would send us into an emotional revolution. And as one Hunter said to me, "why would you tell your children that you can't protect them?" This quote would simplify the entire reason why they have covered up everything they can about aliens here on Earth. They can't protect us. All they can do is minimize the horror by appeasing. The Forgotten suggests this theory...talk about Wag the Dog. If they were to say, "yeah...okay we got a saucer from Rosewell" they'd have to start answering all the questions that would lead to creepy mutants testing on us underground which would not be okay with any human on Earth. No no.

Also....Kevin...honey....you're an actor not a Ufologist....If there's an underground base as sophisticated as it is with a tunnel system rolling coast to coast...there won't be clear and present vents, Kevin. And if there were actual vents on the surface, Kevin....do you really think you'd recognize them? Like they'd be a normal looking HVAC vent? They'd be using geothermal power to ventilate and most likely wouldn't need any tap to the surface if they were coast to coast and had access to water ways under ground. Geeesh...

Keep it up you guys and be safe. I'm so glad you didn't send Pat spelunking into a Dulce underground base.....Send Kevin....