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onlychild wrote:

Gigas wrote:

Let me divide this up.

1) People don't care, and when they don't care, they hear you oh so lightly with a smile and go about their business because that is how life is.

2) Unless an alien race were to appear above the earth population announcing, all aboard, people can't be bothered with stuff like that.

1 cancels out 2. If "people don't care" any "arrival" is going to cause a panic because no one would know what was going on. I'll go out on a limb here and say this is the way it would always be no matter what period of history we were talking about, hence the restoration of a single piece of lost information that tackles that very idea.

Not so fast. You missed the frail minds thinking "that will never happen to me" mindset. So those who don't care, don't, till it happens to them. People may listen, smile, and say ok, but genuinly, they don't care unless its immediate and to the point present. In this day and age, whats to be afraid of. We've been indoctrinated by hollyweird for an alien invasion now for over 50 years.


There were certain people in history "who knew" (the so-called goddess culture) and although it's impossible to say exactly how the picture worked, they may have been "the few" responsible for circulating the information. If this is true, it would explain the picture behind the disappearance of the Clovis culture when the comet came; they had no connection to the goddess. It's POSSIBLE they saw ships, freaked out, and ran. There is no way to say for sure what happened, but the fingerprint of that culture vanished. Meanwhile, the so-called 4th world began on the other side of the globe.



If they knew anything, they knew how to work peoples minds to obedience. One of the prerequisites to entering this realm to life is to believe.


Aliens or the spirit world, they tell our minds many things and those things are not always correct.

I would say that any incorrectness would come from our own minds interpreting things as coming from an external source. We are the idiots in this picture, from the Greek idios / one's own, and the idea we are on "our own" interpretive path.

Like any plan for the future, ultimately we will reap "the rewards" of what we have done.


Are you talking for everyone or just in your case.

Oddly enough Gigas , 94 was the year that i had my most prolific encounter !

FW ,


Hmm , after thought . Can you remember the date ?

FW .

Gigas wrote:

onlychild wrote:

Like any plan for the future, ultimately we will reap "the rewards" of what we have done.

Are you talking for everyone or just in your case.

Everyone. Reaping the reward of what we have done is an all inclusive figure of speech.

I am moving myself on, collecting all the data I can, using sometimes only my mind or gut as a filter. I watched ufo hunters on you tube this weekend and I saw a lot of the same ideas. Those that have contact can perhaps do more, perhaps not. The Government is in "the power and politics business" and it is much safer foir them to push off this topic as crazy than to actually deal with it and all its ramefications. I understand that but have little respect for it.

jack,
yes it is frustrating.... Moving on is hopefully what we are all doing.
I find kindred souls here. Each muddling along try to make sense of what we know.
I have heard the doom sayers for the last forty years or so....
I have attended many funerals of friends. I have seen the births of friends children. I have indeed felt both the sadness and the joy.
Most of all I enjoy the weddings where two people become as one.
I think this, if indeed the world ends tomorrow, that I have had a good life.
I am of course not ready to leave this ole world. I too would like some answers.
This evening I watched the crash in Canada and the ships at the airforce base in england.
Both well documented and both ignored by those in charge.
I can understand thier reluctance to admit that some thing is going on that they can't stop or control.
That I believe is the real truth. I also believe that politicians in this country have but one goal. To get reelected. You don't do that by saying
Yea, they are here and we can't do any thing about it.
Astronauts, presidents, the british airforce chief of staff, airforce colonels, pilots both military and civilian, not to mention us dumb people all seeing things that cannot be explained. If one came down and abducted philip banks and deposited him in bills front yard. Do you know what would happen? Ins would grab him, then deport him as an undocumented alien (which by the way he may well be) they then would ship him back to england with a slap on the wrist telling him not to do it again.

We believers, do not know what we saw? The abdicates have little knowledge of what happened to them or even why.
The idea is to solve the problem. The way in which we do it has to be by the interaction that we have here.
I think seriously that the answer is here. We just have to wino it out.

Davefair( the dumb)

well said.

Jack,
I actually believe that if they opened the records to public scrutiny, It might be that some of us could discreen a pattern or two.
I have always known that if you put 200 or so people into a room and present them with a problem and give them an hour to work out
a solution. The odds are that more then one person would arrive at the proper solution.
The Italians have a saying "many hands make lots of work". Mine is "Many minds provied the answer."
Today I set out to do a brake job on the wifes trail blazer. I got all of the tools out Including the compressor. I am a firm believer in
phenumatic (air power) You can run any thing from rock drills to 6ft beaver tail chain saws with it.
My compressor runs up 150 pds under load. I hooked the air gun up and ran the lug nuts off just a smooth as silk.
Both the bolts for pressure piston slid right out. Then I hooked up the old 1/2 air wrench and started on the two bolts holding
the brake pads to the rotor. Four hours and some skinned knuckles later I arrived at the right solution.
In the morning my buddy the mechanic will put some of my money in his pocket.
Not to mention laugh at me. That hurts the worst. In my youth I would have kept at it till the bolt broke or the wrench did.
Now i'm smart enough to know when enough is enough.
The same applies here. Glider is providing some intresting pictures. I think that is a step in the right direction.
Only child is providing a solution based on his research. Some where in between is the answer.
Only child says its and event. I agree. What is the event is what I am searching for.
The new movie Skyline Shows aliens coming here and harvesting humans, I hope that one isn't right.
Or the movie 2012 with it's natural events wipping the planet clean.

I remain
dave (the tired one)fair

davefair wrote:

Only child is providing a solution based on his research. Some where in between is the answer.
Only child says its and event. I agree. What is the event is what I am searching for.
The new movie Skyline Shows aliens coming here and harvesting humans, I hope that one isn't right.
Or the movie 2012 with it's natural events wipping the planet clean.

I'm just gonna sit on the sidelines and watch this; if I have something to say, I'll inject it.

Some where in between is the answer.

What is the event is what I am searching for.

You aren't going to find a definitive answer. Even regarding 2012, which is my first choice for a man made "herd-thinning" event, there is no way to prove it.

My first choice for a "cosmic event" is another galactic superwave, but again there is no way to prove it, and we won't see it coming - until it gets here - and then, it's too late.

I did this approach ... and I was shown WHY it is a waste of time. The focus should be on what we lost, not the event itself. Why? Because a definitive answer has to be found, and most times, a definitive answer does not exist.

Here's an example:
I challenged "dreams" awhile back, and they failed epically. My final conclusions were that although it IS possible to get REAL information this way, there was no way to determine whether or not YOUR particular dream was a vision or not. For instance, this picture was seen years ago by someone in a dream. The picture I made was an exact replica of the description the person gave. This is a version of the old sign of life that I have been talking about, and, oddly, the idea of "Thursday" can tie in to 2012 ... it's THE DAY BEFORE.



Now, what does one do with this? Do we say an evacuation will happen the day before the 2012 doom event? Do we even know there IS a 2012 doom event? NO! So how could you possibly say anything about "Thursday" when you know nothing about "Friday"? Then, on top of everything else, Carl Calleman's "corrected date" of October 28, 2011 is ALSO a Friday, so again Thursday comes into play.

So, if you want to spend time trying to find something you will never find, have at it. All I can say is that you will not find anything. But, what do I know? I have been wrong before, so, have at it.

Hello only child, and members of this Forum,

I have certainly been wrong about some of my past younger-year ideas. Lots of them, because I was impatient for a complete meaning to it all. Now I'm not so hasty- not so prone to going where my whims dictate. These days I'm less of a romantic and more focused on organized and fact-gathering than ever. My need to know, however, is not as pertinent as the fun of the process of putting data into a cohesive state.

I am organizing UFO-event data an a search to establish patterns that may shed light on the WHY factor. If the whole place goes to hell in a big blast then, of course, none of it will matter. But since it would appear that there's nothing to do but wait what's the harm?

Soon I will share my own "doomsday" true story that came from a family member back in the early 80's.

several contactees Adamski among them said that the Ebens were here to warn us
not to mess up the Earth. Possible even though ol' Adamski goit caught with his pictures of chicken incubators. In Communion Streiber talks about warnings regarding 6the Ozone holes before that knowledge was made public, so maybe part of that's true. I read "Alien Agenda" a really good book by Jm Maars and I want to read Jacoby's "The Threat" so I can get a more balanced view, I just think that many species are here and like people, they have theior own agendas. This is an opinion; a hypothesis I'm working on based on eyewitness reports.

Only child and glider,
looking into the past is the best way to predict the futhur. When one does engineered construction, the end product is always the goal.
It is predicted by a great deal of detailed analysis by the ones who put together a plan. There are two documents that always go to the start of the event. The first is of course detailed engineering blue prints. The secound is a detailed legal description of the work involved.
Included in the detailed description is a time line. The start and the end are very very acurate,usually what ever firm has the contract is bound by specific penalties if they are not lived up to. These are given to the project engineer and his assistant. this time line can be handled by road mapping the entire job. Since there are specific jobs or actions that must be done at specificed times. these events need to be carefully coordinated. this road map includes all of the actions required and the specific dates they are to be finished. Each event then becomes a milestone where by all of the rest must occour. if a change occours (as an example) rain delays the work by three days, then the road map must be adjusted. Looking back into the past to project the futur.
In this instance, I used work that I am famalar with. It really doesn't mater what the project is, it could be baking cookies or building space shuttles
Only child basis his predictions on looking into the past. He says that we have lost something. I am assuming that what is lost is knowledge.
Please correct me if I am wrong. I say this however, The past holds the answer, There have been multiple events in the past that have pretty much wipped out life on this globe. If these events occour in cycles of say 10,000 years, what is to be learned from this?
Mankind as a herd is far to big to be sustaned on this planet for much longer. We are using up and depleting our natural resource at an incredible and increasing rate. When we can no longer be self sustaining then colapse must ocour.
I don't care to delvie into religon, but I do believe we may well decend into a hell on earth. Pity the poor survivors.
The hope on the other hand is that the fate of mankind lies among the stars. My personal belief is that mankind is but the seed needing to expand to galaxy. Man is by his very nature a pioneer. An obstacle layed before him is something that he or his sucessors will over come.
Looking back into the past We can see in the last 200 years vast accomplishments, advancements in technology to boggle the mind.
We have had a share of failures too, look at the failings of the same time frame and yet we over came those too.

So gentlemen, I have said my piece. I await yours.

Dave(the dumb)fair

glider wrote:

Soon I will share my own "doomsday" true story that came from a family member back in the early 80's.

Love to hear it

jackgbowman wrote:

... I just think that many species are here and like people, they have their own agendas.

There may be more organization to those "agendas" than people realize.

davefair wrote:

Only child basis his predictions on looking into the past. He says that we have lost something. I am assuming that what is lost is knowledge. Please correct me if I am wrong.

Yep - that's it. All we have to see is that what we are talking about RIGHT NOW, is EXACTLY what was lost.

Hello only child, this one's for you.

Back around 1980 or so I got a call from my mother. Her calls weren't that frequent an so when she did call I paid particular attention to what she had to say. She informed me that an uncle whom I'd never heard of had called her to pass a message through her to her offspring. I understand I was one of 'em.

Anyway this uncle worked for a large oil company and was on the team that was refining (pun?) the process of extracting oil from shale which I gathered at the time was a difficult and costly enterprise. He supposedly, according to my mom, was involved also with a group of other very bright and learned folks like physicists and the like. Well, they were proponents aligned with the two guys that wrote "The Jupiter Effect"- remember them?

So he was trying to warn the family that the Great Alignment of 1982 was going to spell worldwide disaster with, first off, enormous solar eruptions which, like Patrick Geryl, would result in a sudden and major reversal of Earth's magnet Poles. Sound familiar to anyone? This would be followed by tremendous tectonic shifting causing winds over 400 mph to wreak havoc upon anything above ground!.

After asking for his phone number I called him immediately. I mean, wouldn't you?

....to be continued...

Hello only child,

Took the pooch out for a quick romp. Now, where was I........

Oh yes. The phone call. Well much to my shock- he answered on the second ring! I asked him point blank, after telling him who I was, what he meant by calling out of the blue like that after so many years of absence, especially underwritten by the mere fact that I didn't even know he existed. He apologized and told me he understood my concerns but assured me his message was researched and on the up and up.

He informed me that the planets' influence on the solar tides was was going to be exacerbated by the fact that they were all going to be pulling together along the same vector and cause these great solar flares that were going to generate enough solar wind that the charged particles in that wind will be capable of depressing Earth's magnetosphere so severly that the soon-to-be pole shift and it's consequences was going to be catastrophic.

As a young unlearned, unenlightened, individual what was I to say- or do for that matter- to save my young family? I, of course, asked the obvious: where would be the safest place? He told me Wisconsin.

....to be continued...

well maybe for the cheese, the planets do that every 176 years so, that means that catastrophy would happen every 176 years. We have had several mass extinctions on the Earth 5 at least,mostly due to asteriod/comet collision and much of the trouble today is our own doing.
That may be one reason one or two groups of visitors are here. Remember the Montana incident where they turned off the Nukes?

Hello only child,

My life has become a series of interruptions. who knows, maybe it always was.

Anyway........ back to the tale:

After telling me where I could go to survive the cataclysm about to befall this world I was feeling rather smug. I was in the know. On the inside track. I had a chance to buy a house and refused. Like the song "Bobby McGee" my new philosophy was "you got nuthin', you got nuthin' to lose". Everybody, including the close ones thought I was nuts. But such is the plight of anyone who carries the keys to the future right? Wrong! I was an idiot! Still am pretty much.

So I decided to do a little of my own delving into things and YEP, there was indeed this book. I read it. The planets were indeed going to line up. It was a little scarier now. I read some different sources and found out that the planets were not going to be absolutelyand perfectly lined up. They were going to be in the same QUADRANT in the sky. In other words,in the same 90 degree sector. Whew! Maybe not so bad now. Happens every 176 yrs. The rub was that this time Pluto was in the running as well. That only happens every 500 yrs. or so. Uh Oh, not good. I thought, so that's the big deal. Pluto.

My uncle's comment about wearing Bermuda shorts ('cause that's where my neck of the woods was supposed to end up!) Came crashing back like a gong. Well, I ended up doing nothing about anything. Gave up. Accepted my fate, meted out by Fate and lived to tell the tale. I still live by that creed. If were going to go through it then so be it. You wouldn't believe the paths I've been down in my search for "what gives". I read in the mid 70's that this is the third civilization. One being Ur and some other. One of them used sound waves to run everythin g. It's written somewhere that some of the machinery is still running and that in the back of some caves in the Pyrennes Mts. between France and Spain one can hear 'em if one puts their ear to the wall. Is that why no one is allowed there?

Anyway, only child, sorry for the ramble. BUT, you did ask.

Best regards, glider.

Hello only child,

I wrote a fairly long post when one puts the three pieces together. Sooooo........how come you only quoted the tiny part where I called myself an IDIOT?

Okay, onlychild, you lost me on this one. You said in your post re: your "doomsday" experience: "I have never been told anything, and definitely never heard 'voices'...." Then you continue to say, "I heard '16 months'.." and "I again 'heard the following' in the middle of a dead sleep."

This is confusing and conradictory to me. Did you "hear" the words "16 months" as in an auditory manner which would seem to qualify as "hearing voices"? If not, then do you mean you "heard" it as if it were in your thoughts? If the latter, then do you mean it was YOUR thought or it was put into your thought by an outside source (which, again, like "hearing voices")?

I am not suggesting anything negative associated with either answer. Just trying to figure it out.

Second, you said as indicated in the quote above that you've never been told anything and yet you say you were given the following (a partial quote): "...you found the end of the road. An end that exposes the fact there is no road. People always follow dead end roads, and never realize that they are indeed, dead ends." So you have actually been told "something" at least this time.

It seems contradictory also. If one claims there is no road then there can be no "dead-end" to that road. If, in fact, people always followed dead-end roads, they would actually realize it was a dead-end when they eventually came to the end, right? And, if they never came to that end therefore realizing it WAS a dead-end, then would it not be a dead-end in reality but an infinite road instead?

You further say, "It doesn't matter what is coming....we are not responsible for the details. All we need to do is trust them to take care of the situation." follwed by "ET wants us to figure this out....they aren't going to tell us anything...WE have to fix it...."

That would seem to be two very contradictory statements. Are we to sit back and trust OR fix it? And wouldn't the details be important to fix it and to figure it out??

My last comment would be that I don't see what lesson could be taught here? Why would you be given the thought "16 months" if it really meant nothing at all in the end? The only thing I can see is that it would teach you to ignore anything you "heard" as irrelevant. Why would ET suggest a time period that means nothing and subsequently allow someone to try to make sense of it by reaching a false conclusion that would cause that person severe upset? (I assume here, a doomsday conclusion would be unpleasant until 16 months later when it failed to happen.) Another, ET psych test? An ET inside joke?

Why not give someone a thought that would be more helpful toward that "figuring it out"? That's what most of us are doing here. Trying to figure it out.

metoo

Here's my problem with a lot of claims made of information (hints, suggestions or whatever word one wants to use) supposedly given us by these super intelligent ETs who are here to "save" us - why don't they just come out and tell us what is going on, what we need to know, etc etc instead of talking a bunch of babble and vague double talk?

I can already guess that some people will say I am projecting again but even those who claim that negates an argument will use that same "projecting" to argue their case. Either ETs are like us or they are not. You can't use it as an argument to support YOUR case then discount it as an argument against your case.

Therefore: if we found another being similar to us and showing beginning signs of intelligence and we knew their world as they knew it was about to change dramatically or even end, would we spend years and years and years sending them hints and vague comments about it or would we just try to tell them what was going on and help them? Now, there are plenty of people who claim contact with ETs who say they have done just that but I haven't really heard anything other than the obvious "you are going to hell in a handbasket" which, duh, we pretty much have figured out anyway.

How about some REAL technology that would help us in a TANGIBLE way? Sure, some people have claimed ET technology was given them but nothing that anyone has figured out and been able to reproduce that we know of, reverse engineering claims not withstanding. Bottom line is that if ETs were all that concerned with OUR wellbeing instead of theirs, why all the game playing?

I get the "teaching" idea but at some point, as a teacher, you either have to give the student enough information to come to a conclusion on their own or they are darn well gonna become instinct in the process.

onlychild, I do agree that to know the present and the future we MUST learn of/from the past. (My main area of interest throughout my life has been ancient civilizations which just goes hand in hand with ETs. I am especially enamoured of ancient South American Indian cultures.)

I think we should ALL continue our quest for knowledge and explore all avenues possible. Nobody at this point has an answer to what is going on with ETs. No one person or one group has claim to this information. I admit there are others out there who are smarter and more educated than I am but that does not in any way mean they have special or priveleged insight into THIS subject. There are too many people (we know who they are!) always trying to get anyone who admits interest in ETs to think they are nuts. We need to trust our instincts and our judgement. We need to keep searching. I don't think it's pointless, irrelevant or unnecessary.

metoo