The Alien Agenda...?

The Alien Agenda...?

One consideration, when discussing the alien agenda, is that for the most part, when we humans develop an agenda, it’s a narrowly focused plan or scheme, typically expressed in the singular. What is our intent (singular)? What is our plan (singular)? We are even taught to ‘keep our eye on the ball’…to ’stay focused’

Alien/ extraterrestrials, those creatures of a higher order DO NOT think as we do (a thought process--that is to say, any given thought process-- is NOT universal, or fixed)– they have large multifaceted agendas, plans and schemes, and go about to accomplish as many things as possible, from any given amount of effort expended.

Simultaneously, their plans and schemes must also mesh, or work in conjunction with those plans and schemes of others of their ilk, who may hold competing agendas, so that the level of complexity is then raised exponentially.

Once again, this goes back to our thought process vs. theirs. We tend to think along narrowly focused ‘good and bad’, ‘right and wrong’, ‘black and white’ lines. They, on the other hand, are not so burdened in their thought processes, by any ‘either or’ scenarios.

We put, not only our view of the world, but also our religious belief systems on them – as if they should operate, as we would expect them to operate. As if they should interact with us, according to our rules and societal norms…. but this cannot be. They are who they are, and we are who we are. There is a hierarchy in place, whether we perceive it or not. And they are the creatures, the beings, of a higher order

The question then becomes, with regard to alien/extraterrestrials, what are their variuos multifaceted agendas, plans and schemes? What are those things (plural), which they hope to accomplish?

Discern a creature’s intent, and you can discern them.

This really comes down to our way of thinking (i.e., our thought process), more than anything else, on our part.

Cheers
Jocariah

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Jocariah assumes ..."There is a hierarchy in place, whether we perceive it or not. And they are the creatures, the beings, of a higher order" .

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Not sure what proof you have of that, but just because a "being" has an advanced technological ability, does not always mean they are of a "higher order", or that they are better than us, or that they don't wish us harm or hold evil intentions. Advanced technology is not the "proof" of a beings "good intentions" or their "higher order" as you prefer to call it.

Good and Bad has everything to do with our life .... if you jump out of a 40 story building and expect nothing to happen to you then that is bad , if you pull a knife out and murder a small child because you happened across them in a remote wooded area, then that too is bad ... setting your neighbors house on fire is bad .... this is the reality of human existence, we live in an existence where good and bad exist .... if the "higher order" ET's can't comprehend this fact then they need to learn some things that maybe they don't understand. For an advanced superior being to not be able to acknowledge that the mankind that he is interfering with lives by rules of good and bad is absurd. everything in the universe is judged as good and bad , and these beings should be understanding to this fact of life . If a meteor the size of Texas crashed into the earth right on top of one of their flying discs , that would be looked at as a "bad thing" on that given day, and I would think they might agree with that assessment.

If they are truly of a higher order and mean no harm then it shouldn't bother them or anger them to "do nice things and act nicely towards men" just like you might do to a puppy dog that was afraid of you...you might pet it and put its fears at ease, let it know you are good and not a threat.

The alien agenda is speculative at best when trying to figure out what is happening. We do not have anything to rely on except what the abductees say. Which person was actually abducted, and which one was the result of some other sleep paralysis or other mental problems?

Speculating on what they want can be fun, but it does nothing to prove extraterrestrials have visited us. Until we actually interview an extraterrestrial, the reason why they would abduct people is a mystery.

I will add my speculation as to why: curiosity.

Curiosity is as good an explanation as any right now with the little we know.

One of the main problems I have with the greys in particular is the notion of possibly abducting human women and impregnating them to create hybrids, and then taking the fetus out prior to birth .... this takes it a step further than curiosity in my opinion.

""The alien agenda is speculative at best when trying to figure out what is happening. We do not have anything to rely on except what the abductees say. ""

Alien/ extraterrestrials pursue their own agenda first and foremost, at all times. They are not bound by our customs, mores or societal norms in any way. They are not above lying to us, if it meets their needs. These creatures of a higher order simply do what is in their best interest, always – whatever it takes to get from A to B.

Of course, this is neither good nor bad – it’s not right or wrong. They are neither malevolent nor benevolent towards us– they’re not out to get us, or do us harm, nor do they want to be our mentors, guides, or saviors.

Those saying otherwise are simply deceiving themselves – trying to place human traits on creatures that aren’t human, so as to somehow make sense of their actions.

Creatures of a higher order will do and say whatever it takes to propagate their own agenda, including deceiving us if it suits their purpose.

Even those shepherding human development throughout the ages, have done so because it benefits them.

And naturally, those creatures of a higher order, which interact with us, have creatures, which are shepherding and interacting with them as well – the gods have gods, as it were.

It’s time that we humans became aware of the hierarchy that exists throughout the universe. Just like there became a time in which we were forced to accept that the earth was NOT the center of the universe.

Now's the time for us to realize, we are not alone.

Cheers
Jocariah

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There are many who speculate that there is a hybrid agenda, and some abductees report meeting hybrid offspring. The problem with this idea is it goes to a high level of speculation and fringe ideas. There is the skull of the Starchild that comes to mind, and I am open to this possibility that there could be experiments done in the production of hybrids who could survive a planet that may be more hostile to the aliens.

This idea comes out of the pages of Star Trek, and such speculation gets laughed at by mainstream science. I am not opposed to discussing the subject, as long as it is treated as speculation and not actual fact.

As I have posted before, the only way we will know the truth is if one of the visitors goes on Larry King Live.

“”As I have posted before, the only way we will know the truth is if one of the visitors goes on Larry King Live.””

So, only when it's on Larry King is it true? What about the abundance of evidence that exists elsewhere? This reminds me of a comment that was made to me once, that went something like, "If this were really true, I'd already know about it".

With regard to creatures of a higher order, there are not one, but many varieties, not one, but many species, not one, but many agendas, all competing with one another to see to it that their interests are served and their schemes play out.

At present, these phenomena exist on the periphery for a reason – aliens/extraterrestrials exist (or the possibility of them exist) in our collective consciousness, but just barely, for a reason, as well.

We, those of us so inclined, are meant to seek this out on our own accord. This is how it is supposed to be ... this is how it was set up, or designed to be. It does NOT exist this way by chance. We are being puzzled, confounded and enticed, because they know how to work us, and want this to exist on the periphery of our consciousness.

All of this is no accident - creatures of a higher order have set this all in motion. The problem, for us at least, is that conceptually, we cannot imagine how it is that beings, more intelligent that we, think, or operate. As an example, try to convince a chip, that your intellectual ceiling is higher than his. Or that he can't understand complex mathematics. It's impossible - you can't do it. Likewise, we cannot conceptually grasp how creatures of a higher order have a higher intellectual ceiling than we.... that''s impossible, as well. All we can do is acknowledge, and accept, that they indeed have a greater intellect than we.

But that having been said, it’s simple really. Rather than seeking proof, seek evidence. Rather than immediately trying to decide whether something, anything one is looking at, is true or not, simply see it as information (to be entertained-or not, as the case may be) that does NOT require an 'immediate' true or false judgment.

Is this information interesting to me ...(yes or no)? If it is interesting, entertain it - if not, don't. No need to immediately classify, judge, pigeon hole or file the information into right or wrong, true or false, belief or disbelief - is there? For goodness sake, what is the 'rush' to label everything we encounter? Could it be our need to zealously maintain the integrity of our fragile belief systems?

Once again, all of this goes back to our thought process - how we think. Our thought process is uniquely our own – it differs in each one of us, from person to person.

It is our very thought process, that process by which we think, that is the greatest culprit in holding us back in this regard...not necessarily our intellect.

Cheers
Jocariah

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The Larry King comment was an attempt at humor. Mr King does have many shows devoted to the topic of UFOs, and he does not treat the subject like a joke.

Many in the science community take the same stance as your friend, Jocariah. They want to see an alien ship land on the White House lawn or somewhere public. Even then, many will state it is a publicity stunt for some company.

I do agree proof is necessary before a statement can be made that aliens exist and are visiting us. I believe it to be true, but the science community needs proof. It is up to the many researchers out there to find the proof, and gather evidence when an abduction or CE3K type encounter.

There are a few researchers who are convinced there has already been contact with people on Earth. President Eisenhower features in most of the alleged contact stories. The purported evidence is of a film of the encounter existing. None has ever surfaced, just some accounts of people who have heard and a very few who claimed to have seen such film.

While many try to substantiate the Eisenhower contact rumors, others are searching for the film (or copies of it). Others look at the famous abduction cases out there for clues, and they range from the very good (the Hills) to the not so good. Most of the cases are only gleaned from hypnotic regression, which has a problem disconnecting reality from fantasy. That is not to say they are all fantasy, but the fundamental problems are there with the hypnotic regression approach.

The stories sound the same, and while some say it gives the cases a boost, I am one to state it could be because the information about encounters is available to all. The pop culture has made the gray aliens a part of it, and TV shows such as the X-Files do not help in the matter.

Basically, all one can do is speculate as to what the alien agenda is.

I do agree proof is necessary before a statement can be made that aliens exist and are visiting us. I believe it to be true, but the science community needs proof. It is up to the many researchers out there to find the proof, and gather evidence when an abduction or CE3K type encounter.

From my perspective, the real problem, or challenge, is how we tend to look at these phenomena (based it seems, on a pre-established cultural perspective, if you will) - we need to change our thinking, altogether, on this matter. We need to think for ourselves.

John E. Mack, MD: “Some people may accept a lot of things, but somehow this phenomenon crosses a boundary for them – it goes beyond what they can [are able to] accept.”

John E. Mack, MD: “[Our] worldview prevents anything new from coming in … most people don’t even acknowledge that their worldview is determining what they think, what they feel. They think they’re talking about something based on an argument”.

Mark Macy: “For some people, it doesn’t matter how good the evidence is, it won’t make any difference.”

Cheers,
Jocariah

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It is a Catch-22 type situation. Science will not acknowledge abductions as anything but sleep paralysis unless an alien walks into one of their labs. The researchers want science to recognize abductions do exist, but cannot offer any real proof. Neither side is budging on this, as science is not even looking into the phenomena. As far as they are concerned, it is solved as a down to earth problem.

The researchers also seem to be stuck on the hypnotic regression as evidence. They have not come up with anything new to try and verify these claims. Both sides need to make a move neither one is doing.

Until someone from the ufology community comes up with other ways of checking out evidence, there will not be any type of movement in either direction.

""Until someone from the ufology community comes up with other ways of checking out evidence, there will not be any type of movement in either direction""

I think its important to note here that these beings, these creatures of a higher order, want their existence to remain on the periphery of our consciousness – they don’t want to be in the forefront of our 'daily reality', or worldview.

If they wanted to be on the front-page day in and day out, that’s where they’d be.

This is all done for a reason - so that some of us will mine the information, the abundance of evidence that exist, one nugget at a time.

Sometimes I think we give these beings too little credit. They understand us better than we understand ourselves. They know we are curious creatures, and they tweak that curiosity very subtly, time and again. All of this is done, so that we may have a trail of breadcrumbs to follow…one crumb at a time.

To what end, you may ask? Well, perhaps to that point in our history when we are able to comprehend our place in the universe - our place in the hierarchy that exists throughout the universe.

We will only ever know, what it is they want us to know.

Cheers,
Jocariah

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Jocariah wrote:

The Alien Agenda...?


The question then becomes, with regard to alien/extraterrestrials, what are their variuos multifaceted agendas, plans and schemes? What are those things (plural), which they hope to accomplish?

I can speak only from my own experiences: Something is coming; based on every topic involved it isn't going to be pretty. We think we know it all - and so, you will be left to your own conclusions for that is the nature of free will.

Plans and schemes, multifaceted agendas, presuppose disorganization. There is no disorganization with them - only with us.

An alien agenda, assuming they've visited us and have an agenda, probably involves exploiting and using the Earth and related planetary bodies in our solar system for resources. This I'm assuming because every organism which has evolved on Earth - or anywhere - has a primary directive to maximize survival potential, and therefore maximizing exploitation of resources on Earth would probably help cement their own survival. If they're visiting, most likely they'll look to enslave us without our knowing - creating a 'Matrix' of human workers to exploit the resources on the planet for them. The Hybrid Theory generally supports this, along with the Hybrid Skull and implants which resonate with radio frequencies.

-ET

OC, you first accuse me of making assumptions (which I said I was doing) then go on to make a half dozen contradictory assumptions yourself. There is really no room for debate here because there are no facts proven on one side or the other; like I said, this is a thought experiment.

Personally, I think the idea of hybrids is interesting and should be explored more. Politics is indeed sexual politics at its root because the differing political ideologies are based, more or less, in complementary and different modes of thinking of men and women; not to mention the ultimate goal of survival which is tied in with reproduction. By breeding a "combined human and alien", you change the political thinking to something completely foreign.

In regards to the issue of Hybrids. I would like to offer a historical example of a hybrid! There was a boy names Ambrosius, whose mother was a daughter of the King of Demetia. He was born out of marriage, his mother was a nun. She claimed she never had any relations with a man. Instead she had a visitor, that often came to her in her apartment. He was a young man, and was often invisible to her. He made love to her in this way! So that she did become pregnant and had Ambrosius. The experts in those days ascribed this to the incubus. Spirits which live between the earth and the moon! This youth became well known in his days for amazing feats, and occult abilities! The king of those days was trying to build a tower; but none could overcome a sinking problem. Ambrosius had them dig to a well underneath. Where there also found two sleeping dragons; all of which he predicted. He went on to make many prophecies, and influenced an entire nations history. This boy was Merlin Ambrosius! The wizard of King Uther Pendragon and Arthur. His story is recorded in "The History of the Kings of Britain," by Geoffrey of Monmouth. If anyone knows of similiar stories give us a post!

In citing this story you may have one historical example as to why the "aliens" would want hybrids. They want to be part of the human experience; to influence and direct history. It also raises important questions about genetic compatability between different beings. Why should there be any compatibility? If we have aliens from other worlds, shouldn't our evolutionary heredity be different? Instead there are contactees who claim this happens. What then is the source of compatibility? Do we have proof of a deity? One that uses the same basic design throughout the universe?

onlychild wrote:

If ET has been conducting hybrid experiments, logic would dictate it was always going on. So - what have they done in this vein throughout our history ... nothing.

What logic is that? That's a big assumption. You have no idea when "hybrid experiments" - if they began - began. Or what they mean. Or if they've done anything.

And labeling thinking on these lines "stupid" or "psychotic" or "deluded" seems to be making big assumptions as well.

BTW - why are you lecturing on 2012 when your website has info. on that? Did you change your mind?