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Alfred Lehmberg
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PostSubject: The James T. Carlson Problem    The James T. Carlson Problem  Icon_minitimeSat Oct 23, 2010 1:49 pm

The James T. Carlson Problem Robert Hastings Requests Your Assistance

By Robert Hastings www.ufohastings.com

Over the past 37 years I have interviewed more than 120 former or retired U.S. military personnel regarding their knowledge of UFO incursions at nuclear weapons sites during the Cold War era. On September 27, 2010, seven of those individuals participated in a press conference at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. to discuss their personal experiences in such cases. The event was streamed live by CNN and thousands of articles and broadcast news stories—the great majority of them accurate and objective—have been generated worldwide over the past month. Four of the press conference participants discussed UFO activity at Malmstrom AFB’s ICBM sites in 1966-67: Dr. Patrick McDonough revealed that one night, while working as an Air Force geodetic surveyor at a not-yet activated missile site, a disc-shaped UFO had raced in and briefly hovered, silently, some 300-feet above his head.

Retired Lt. Col. Dwynne Arneson, the Officer-in-Charge of the 28th Air Division’s Communications Center at Malmstrom in 1967, told of reading a secret message about a UFO hovering over a missile site just before it and nine other ICBMs mysteriously malfunctioned.


Former Captain Robert Salas, a missile launch officer at Malmstrom, spoke of being on alert at a 10-missile group designated Oscar Flight, probably on March 24, 1967, when his missiles failed—moments after his head security guard had called the launch capsule to report a glowing oval-shaped object hovering over the Launch Control Facility. Salas has publicly spoken about this incident since 1995 and was the co-sponsor of the press conference.

Finally, a former missile targeting officer, then-Lt. Robert Jamison, spoke of being involved in the re-start (retargeting) of the Oscar Flight missiles. Jamison said that all of the targeting teams involved in the action were briefed before going to the missile sites and were explicitly told that UFOs had been involved in the ICBM shutdowns. All of these individuals spoke out because they believe, as do I, that the U.S. government needs to be candid with the American people, and humans everywhere, about the reality of the UFO phenomenon and, in particular, the UFO-Nukes Connection.

Now, although these courageous individuals have come forward and divulged their involvement in still-classified incidents, in the hope of raising public awareness, a UFO debunker named James T. Carlson has been posting countless items online over the past two years, calling these veterans (and others who were involved in the missile shutdown incidents) liars, or worse. In particular, Bob Salas and I have been singled-out for his wrath. Carlson’s father, Eric Carlson, was one of two missile launch officers who were present at Malmstrom’s Echo Flight on March 16, 1967, when all 10 of their ICBMs shut down.

While the senior Carlson claims not to remember any mention of a UFO being present at the time, the other officer, now-retired Col. Walter Figel, has told me, and Salas, that he received a report of a “large, round” UFO hovering over one of the missile sites just moments after it failed, and shortly before the other nine malfunctioned as well. Figel also verified that other security personnel subsequently corroborated the presence of the UFO. All of these admissions are on audio tape and one may listen to them via links in my article “The Echo/Oscar Witch Hunt”, posted at The UFO Chronicles website.

Unfortunately, James T. Carlson believes his father’s version of events—that no UFOs were present at Echo Flight when the missiles went down—and has spent the last two years slandering and libeling anyone who contradicts this claim. James has further alleged that Bob Salas has completely fabricated the story of his own involvement in a second shutdown incident, at Oscar Flight, even though the other officer present at the time, retired Col. Fred Meiwald, has verified its reality.


In any case, the time has come for me to take inventory, in preparation for a possible legal action: While I am aware of numerous posts by James Carlson about all of this—on blogs at several websites—I’m certain that I’ve missed many more, given that they run into the hundreds at this point. So, I am seeking the reader’s assistance:

I am asking that persons who want to the truth about the incidents at Malmstrom AFB in 1967 to be established—once and for all—to scour the Internet and locate posts in which Carlson has referred to me (or Bob Salas) as a “fraud”, a “liar” a “hoaxer” or similar defamatory terms. I am also interested in posts where James claims that he has “proved” that Mr. Salas and I have misrepresented the facts.

Those willing to assist me in this regard should send me links to the offending posts via ufohastings@aol.com. Thank you.

Robert Hastings
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PostSubject: Re: The James T. Carlson Problem    The James T. Carlson Problem  Icon_minitimeMon Mar 14, 2011 6:35 pm


I only found a couple of links that might be of use, should I send them?
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PostSubject: Re: The James T. Carlson Problem    The James T. Carlson Problem  Icon_minitimeTue Mar 15, 2011 7:34 pm

Hello A.L.

This is a review from James T. Carlson of the Hastings/Salas books that he posted on 3/3/2011 on Amazon:

"There's very little in this book that's actually true. The alleged UFO events at Echo Flight and Oscar Flight in March 1967 are incorrect assumptions; they simply did not occur as Salas and Klotz have discussed. There were no UFOs involved at Echo Flight at all, and the incident at Oscar Flight never even happened. The men who have spread these lies have done so for their own benefit, and they have been proven wrong on numerous occasions in numerous ways. I would recommend that if you are truly interested in knowing what actually occured at Malmstrom AFB in March 1967 you go to the following URLs, where you can download at no cost the book and supporting articles discussing the case:

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I would also recommend that you examine the numerous interviews and articles at the Reality Uncovered website: http://www.realityuncovered.net/ -- seven of the top eight articles all discuss the events at Echo Flight in March 1967, and include interviews with both the commander and the deputy commander at Echo Flight on March 16, 1967 when the missiles were taken offline by an electronic noise pulse.

A lot information regarding this incident can also be found at the Reality Uncovered forum, in particular the Echo Flight Incident thread: http://www.realityuncovered.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=1688&sid=fb3fd24f098c0f3bc35595ea1b41a146.

Tim Hebert, an ex-USAF missileer himself, has also written some enlightening articles regarding the case on his blog at: [...]

Dr. David Clarke, for many years an accepted expert regarding the British military forces' investigations of the UFO phenomenon for many years, has also discussed this case in the context of the "UFO and NUkes" connection asserted by author Robert Hastings. You can read his article on the subject at [...].

The lies currently being spread by Robert Hastings, author of "UFOs and Nukes", and Robert Salas, author of "Faded Giant", have not merely been dismissed as a valid interpretation of the events, they have been repeatedly proven as lies by witness testimony and documented evidence. There is no doubt whatsoever that they created this case for their own benefit. There were no UFOs involved -- it is a lie, and nothing more. If you want further information, I would be happy to provide it. My father was commander of Echo Flight on the date in question, and I know a great deal about the subject. If you would prefer to speak with my father directly, I'm sure that can also be arranged.

As for other possible UFO cases, I doubt that alien spacecraft were involved, but other than that, I really have no opinion. Frankly, I don't know very much about other cases, and would never, for that reason, venture to put forth my own opinions as more viable than another's.

Thank you,
James Carlson
jtcarl@yahoo.com
Albuquerque, NM"

I'm fairly positive the authors have seen this by now.
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PostSubject: Re: The James T. Carlson Problem    The James T. Carlson Problem  Icon_minitimeSat Mar 19, 2011 1:24 pm

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14103903/Obamas-Zero-Nuclear-Weapons-Speech-Extraterrestrial-UFOs


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Robert Salas is either a liar or a man with such a poor memory of events that he should not be trusted as a credible source of anything that may have happened in 1967. Not only has he changed his story on at least three ocassions, even to the point of changing the command he was then assigned to (how do you screw that up?), he also has been unable to show that any missile sites anywhere were actually shut down on the dates he finally settled on (you see, he's also changed the date of these events a couple of times); any examination of the events themselves prove definitively that there aren't any witnesses at all willing to say that they actually saw a UFO anywhere near the missiles. Anybody who believes this guy should look long and hard at his story. Frankly, he's either got Alzheimers, or he's an idiot, or he's a liar.

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PostSubject: Re: The James T. Carlson Problem    The James T. Carlson Problem  Icon_minitimeSat Mar 19, 2011 7:42 pm

Here is a story that might suggest the validity of Salas and Hastings claims. We have some finger pointing going on here. If it's crazy talk then why the vitriol?

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/02/23/retired-army-colonel-says-ufos-are-real-but-denies-government-c/?icid=maing|main5|dl1|sec3_lnk3|46328]&a_dgi=aolshare_facebook
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