Letting ET Off The Hook

CE 4 Number of posts : 420 Registration date : 2010-10-19

Hello All,

I think I have Only Child's idea straight now:

ET shows up when the Earth and it's inhabitants are about to experience a DNA changing event or destruction. This has happened in our past history several times and long ago the knowledge of this was common generation to generation.

The first suggested event was around 40,000 years ago. After that the next was around 13,000 years ago- the Clovis Culture. The knowledge survived and was passed down to succeeding generations from the earlier survivors after that last event. But around 5,300 years ago that knowledge got lost.

Being a civilization that used symbols to convey concepts and information the symbol chosen for these events and ET's presence during these events was designated to be a Mother Goddess. When anyone viewed that symbol they knew what it signified because they knew the story. This idea has been researched by Dr. Paul Violette and has been interpreted to be the story of an Earth that gets periodically bombarded by a Galactic Superwave; a burst of cosmic radiation stemming from the center of our Milky Way that appears as a bright light.

Around 13,000 years ago this knowledge was still present. Once again, a Galactic Superwave occurred. However, it was not at the magnitude of the previous ones. ET, seeing that this was a lesser event, determined that it was not necessary to show up and interfere with the progress of our civilization.

But, from the knowledge that was passed down through their ancestors, Earth's inhabitants, knowing no different, expected ET to arrive. ET did not arrive. As a result, around 5,300 years ago, deeming the information passed to them by their ancestors to be flawed, people decided to change the knowledge/belief to something that made more sense to them after the lesser Superwave event subsided.

The symbol of the Mother Goddess which reflected the old story was now viewed as wrong, got tossed out, and was replaced by the only other obvious symbol left to the remaining race of Humans. The Sun. They adopted this symbol and that very action succeeded in burying for good the Mother Goddess symbol representing the 40,000 year old information about ET and the reason they show up.

Currently ET has showed up again. So I would like to, at this moment, offer a thought that has occurred to me. This is especially for you Only Child and comes from a non-believer's perpective through logic along with some spiritual concepts learned through experience. When ET showed up previously they made an error, or never corrected an error. An error WRT to information that previous generations, reduced to pockets of survivors after other Superwave episodes, did not require.

ET forgot to include the knowledge that, if they do not show, it is because they are NOT NEEDED. Not because they don't exist. The mistake made 5,300 years ago was Human misjudgement as a result of NOT HAVING the whole picture. The error is ET's not ours. My thought is that ET knows this and needs our understanding of what happened. As a consequence of our understanding of the situation ET needs our forgiveness for their shortcoming. It follows then that this should perhaps be part of the reason for inviting ET to show.

Now this may be quite a shock to you since it comes from a non-believer but as a story at face value, to me it makes perfect sense. What is coming may in fact be a minor event. They are showing anyway though in order to reestablish good faith and correct the misconception drawn by OUR ancestors.

Your or anyone's thoughts will be more than welcome!

Subject: Re: Letting ET Off The Hook Mon Jul 04, 2011 10:20 am

glider wrote:: Hello All,

I think I have Only Child's idea straight now:

OK - THIS is an E X C E L L E N T example of Constructivism.

Currently ET has showed up again. So I would like to, at this moment, offer a thought that has occurred to me. This is especially for you Only Child and comes from a non-believer's perpective through logic along with some spiritual concepts learned through experience. When ET showed up previously they made an error, or never corrected an error. An error WRT to information that previous generations, reduced to pockets of survivors after other Superwave episodes, did not require.

ET forgot to include the knowledge that, if they do not show, it is because they are NOT NEEDED. Not because they don't exist. The mistake made 5,300 years ago was Human misjudgement as a result of NOT HAVING the whole picture. The error is ET's not ours. My thought is that ET knows this and needs our understanding of what happened. As a consequence of our understanding of the situation ET needs our forgiveness for their shortcoming. It follows then that this should perhaps be part of the reason for inviting ET to show.

Now this may be quite a shock to you since it comes from a non-believer but as a story at face value, to me it makes perfect sense. What is coming may in fact be a minor event. They are showing anyway though in order to reestablish good faith and correct the misconception drawn by OUR ancestors.

Your or anyone's thoughts will be more than welcome!

(I sent you a PM reply to your PM ... let me know you got it.)

The picture you painted here is an excellent "what if" scenario, and I wondered about this myself. It actually was a study I had planned, but, since no one cared it remained on the shelf.

The additional information would incorporate the idea that only in one place on the globe did the error occur - pre-Sumer and pre-Egypt. It was from this point, and over time, that said "doctrinal error" began to spread outward and our picture of 'history' shows the details. A study would also need to be done regarding the 'pyramids' that were built globally (however that picture unfolds) and the times involved, as that triangular shape is key to the symbol.

I also believe that part of this has to do with the "impact event" that was seemingly recorded on a surviving "Sumerian disk" which was studied recently and astronomical calculations were arrived at. The date calculated was June 29, 3123 bc Julian (= 3 June 3123 BCE Gregorian?)

Anyway, this was a big event and the base idea has been tied to the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah via a fiery 'debris storm' from the impact. This would also tie to the Egyptian story "The Destruction of Mankind" where the "eye in the sky" (galactic center) sent Hathor to kick the crap out of people for disrespecting RA the sun god. This event would seem to be (in the eyes of the Egyptians anyway) verification they were correct. If you disrespected the sun god - you were taught a lesson.

I find it 'odd' that the above date coincides with the Mayan date of 3114 BC, as well as a date calculated from Nostradamus' work of 3203 BC.

[I made a change here regarding Nostradamus - don't know where my head went when I wrote that originally LOL.]

That date is arrived at by subtracting his 7000 year reign from his end date of 3797.

(The 20 years would be symbolic - 10 + 10 or two complete cycles - 40,000 BC and 13,500 BC)

Century 1:48:
Twenty years of the Moon's reign having passed
another takes its reign for seven thousand years.
When the sun takes its wearied days
then my prophecy will be accomplished.

(His final date: 3797AD - 7000 = 3203 BC)

My take on Nostradamus is different. I believe he ran into "the people who knew" during his 6 years of absence from history (hence his obsession with the end of all). They had survived all of this time, and finally vanished somewhere in the late 1700s to early 1800s. This would connect to the post I made in here about Longfellow, and the poem The Occultation of Orion. As far as I am concerned, that poem came from the "front office". The "people who knew" were gone, seemingly absorbed into the rising secret society movement of the time. When all is said and done "Forever more, the reign of violence is over."

Anyway, the "error" in this is still ours because it only popped up in one place on the globe, and, over time spread outward from there. If we are to be blamed for anything, it is because we allowed this error to continue. It should have been stopped dead in its tracks - but - it wasn't.

CE 4 Number of posts : 420 Registration date : 2010-10-19

Hello Oc,

On two points I have to disagree:

1) The triangular pyramid shape is the most stable/buildable shape for and ancient civilization to construct (other than perhaps a cone!) As engineering progressed things like cubes with different roof configurations appeared. The left-over pyramid structures we are familiar with didn't just happen; they are not the first examples. It is not feasable to even try to imagine that these monuments were a first attempt in any location. Including the find in Turkey. The triangular style is of a natural world evolution in design and, believe it or not, ease of construction vs. height. Height was the all inclusive, all important goal. A symbol of wealth, and power

2) If the Cosmic Superwawe did in fact occur then even though the Mother Goddess was on her way out the replacement belief was in competition with many others that sprang up. The Sun worship idea won out through the normal means- war, economic influence, intermarriage, exploring, or travel. Probably all the reasons are valid. Look at the Catholic Church's history. I don't see much change in Human nature that would indicate within any population that stronger elements, possessing power and greed with a desire for more, would not dictate what a belief will be.

You may be convinced that the idea came from one location and I agree. But it follows naturally that it won out over many other philosophies generated by catastrophe in relatively ignorant populations.............Like our population today for instance! We've not progressed one iota for the last 40,000 years with regard to our fear resulting from blind trust in powerful entities that lie to us. NOTHING has changed. But no one will tell anybody anything WRT reality so what's to be expected?

Subject: Re: Letting ET Off The Hook Mon Jul 04, 2011 12:12 pm

glider wrote:: Hello Oc,

On two points I have to disagree:

1) The triangular pyramid shape is the most stable/buildable shape for and ancient civilization to construct (other than perhaps a cone!) As engineering progressed things like cubes with different roof configurations appeared. The left-over pyramid structures we are familiar with didn't just happen; they are not the first examples. It is not feasable to even try to imagine that these monuments were a first attempt in any location. Including the find in Turkey. The triangular style is of a natural world evolution in design and, believe it or not, ease of construction vs. height. Height was the all inclusive, all important goal. A symbol of wealth, and power

Oh I agree, and a data pile would have begin with the first pyramid, which I think was inspired by Imhotep if I'm not mistaken (the stepped pyramid) I could be wrong. Then too, if Egypt was first, the continued reference to the constellation of Orion, including the Kings chamber in the position of the nebula ...

... as well as the placement of the 3 Giza pyramids themselves, which actually form "Orion" C 13,500 BC in its southern most position below the horizon, and would be a reference to the last event - hidden in plain sight? As if - "someone" - had "something" to say / record - in spite of the sun god belief system? Did this begin with Imhotep - "He who comes in peace?" Anyway, this Orion position changes as the event goes on, and becomes more straight up and down.

2) If the Cosmic Superwave did in fact occur then even though the Mother Goddess was on her way out the replacement belief was in competition with many others that sprang up.

OK - need times / dates / locations if these were parallel doctrinal change events. Like I said, I haven't done this study cuz no one cared.

The Sun worship idea won out through the normal means- war, economic influence, intermarriage, exploring, or travel. Probably all the reasons are valid. Look at the Catholic Church's history. I don't see much change in Human nature that would indicate within any population that stronger elements, possessing power and greed with a desire for more, would not dictate what a belief will be.

You may be convinced that the idea came from one location and I agree. But it follows naturally that it won out over many other philosophies generated by catastrophe in relatively ignorant populations.

Whatever the total picture, wrong replaced right. Gimbutas' archeological work attributes the demise of the Goddess culture to the Indo-European invasion, which could easily be another part of this, with whatever corrections added since the time of her work. It also needs to be remembered that not EVERYONE on the planet was "goddess" centered. Even as far back as 11,000 / 10,000BC ... the Clovis culture was NOT "goddess" centered - they were caught up in the event that struck N America, and the so called 4th world began on the other side of the globe.

This is the greatness of the constructivist method - make a pile of data and tear it apart, get rid of the crap, and keep what does fit.

Like our population today for instance! We've not progressed one iota for the last 40,000 years with regard to our fear resulting from blind trust in powerful entities that lie to us. NOTHING has changed. But no one will tell anybody anything WRT reality so what's to be expected?

Hence - hopefully - we can change that. But first there needs to be a "we". There used to be a 'we" ... but they didn't quite make it to today. If they had, we wouldn't be having these conversations - but NOOOOO ... now we have to do it ourselves ...

CE 4 Number of posts : 420 Registration date : 2010-10-19

Hello Only Ghild,

Thank you for your candidness and open mind. I guess my experiences on the Forums have got me a little cynical and touchy. My apologies and I appreciate you taking the time with me.

Subject: Re: Letting ET Off The Hook Mon Jul 04, 2011 1:30 pm

glider wrote:: Hello Only Child,

Thank you for your candidness and open mind. I guess my experiences on the Forums have got me a little cynical and touchy. My apologies and I appreciate you taking the time with me.

Nah - not needed; this is how it should be. In the science world each person has their own theory on whatever topic, and the fun is in the chase. I don't know everything - I will stand behind what I believe is the most important point to all of this, and that's humanities coming to grips with the fact that ET is not here to do any harm ... although the overall foundational picture IS our responsibility to put together, probably because we allowed it to get screwed up. Whatever the case, your point and delivery is 100% on the mark as far as the constructivist approach. WE have to work together to put a picture back where it belongs. Everything is based on the best data, period.

CE 4 Number of posts : 420 Registration date : 2010-10-19

Hello OC,

OK. Then we shall continue! In 16 days the questions could be very different, or at least be more pointed and possess more depth. Even, as you and I have said along with many others, if nothing happens. We will never know who or how many took part. But the important thing may very well be, as we have also said, a reduction in being fearful of doing anything. In that regard I've made no bones about how enormous and important that result could be and what it could mean for making future progress.

Subject: Re: Letting ET Off The Hook Mon Jul 04, 2011 2:56 pm

glider wrote:: Hello OC,

OK. Then we shall continue! In 16 days the questions could be very different, or at least be more pointed and possess more depth. Even, as you and I have said along with many others, if nothing happens. We will never know who or how many took part. But the important thing may very well be, as we have also said, a reduction in being fearful of doing anything. In that regard I've made no bones about how enormous and important that result could be and what it could mean for making future progress.

Well, based on what I have been looking at of late, I would say the chances have upped that this could happen. In my "humble" opinion Letting ET Off The Hook Chuckle

this scenario would represent the (in this case) beginning students approaching the teacher in the constructivist picture. I have mapped every one of my connected experiences to this teaching idea, and they fit. Yes, ET is a wee bit more strict, but they WERE there at a time I needed the "teacher" aspect in this 55 year quest.

Also, if it doesn't work out, I AM going to do this ONE MORE TIME. THIS TIME it will be done in an organized fashion, if I have to get my own forum to do it. This was an unorganized last minute idea, because back then I was literally out of ideas. Since then I have had one "nag event" to look up something which literally snowballed into the constructivist picture - which, simply put, says: As students explore a topic or problem, they draw conclusions, and, as exploration continues, they revisit those conclusions and modify them to support new knowledge or experiences.

http://www.quasar.ualberta.ca/techcur/theory/constructivism.htm