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PostSubject: Guilt by association.   Wed May 19, 2010 10:50 am

"...Guilt by association..."

Wow... That's offered, Sir, like it wasn't a casebook fallacy, an indolent smear, or an irrelevant criticism. No

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Thu May 20, 2010 7:32 am

Alfred Lehmberg wrote:
"...Guilt by association..."

Wow... That's offered, Sir, like it wasn't a casebook fallacy, an indolent smear, or an irrelevant criticism. No

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More a question of collective responsibility I'd say.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Thu Jun 10, 2010 11:58 pm

...And I submit that that's a claim too convenient for you to make; however, bereft of veritas as it would turn out to be. Moreover, I suspect a different tune would be sung given shoes were exchanged.

Too, as it stands, the only profit pursued presently is publicity, eh? A public way to kick your effort off on the shins of UFO Magazine and the Birnes like they were the bad-guys in your entirely self-inflicted sturm and drang, that sturm and drang largely facilitated by you taking a chance on a trademark infringement and having to re-do work you'd thought behind you, I suspect.

This is forgetting your back-handed betrayal of the Birnes —offensive to this retired soldier— after a certain gracious collegiality was —and always has been, "govnah"— extended to you, respectfully, by the Birnes. See, you storm a castle where the Birnes occupy a room in which they only pay a decided rent. You blame serfs where your problem is with the Lord of the Manor. Yeah -- I know you'd think Bill Birnes in the Manor's Lord. ...But he's not, eh? He is a familiar presence, merely, to take your baseless shots.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Fri Jun 18, 2010 7:53 am

It's still collective responsibility. You know it, I know it and Birnes Inc know it as well. Babble all you like dear boy but it will alter nothing.
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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:08 am

Patent nonsense, old top!

You intruded, squatted rather, on property not your own and got popped for it. I know it. You know it. Bill Birnes is regretful for it.

Moreover, the only thing "altered" demonstrably, Sir, is the cover of your magazine. You changed same because you realize, without collegiate admission I might add, that you were in arrears.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Thu Jun 24, 2010 8:08 am

Incorrect old boy. I told you before, you can waffle all you like but it changes nowt. Birnes Inc know it too. For the record, I've changed zilch. I'm merely the editor of UFO MATRIX. The first issue has yet to go to print. I'd therefore ike to know wich psychic powers you have that enables you to forsee the future and see the final cover design. Our publisher and designer may well change things, but that is up to them and out of my hands. The cover that UFO MAGAZINE Inc took umbridge to was merely the promotional copy and not the finished item. Like I said before, UFO MAGAZINE INC couldn't even send the attorney's letter to the right place and I told them this as well. But no matter, it is not I or UFO MATRIX who have anything to worry about and the magazine will be published as scheduled. If UFO MAGAZINE INC are afraid if a little competiotion then that's their problem.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:37 pm

Har! Old bean...

"Our publisher and designer may well change things, but that is up to them and out of my hands."

...Rather says it in a nutshell, I'd say. What'cha bet "they" do? I'm betting "they" want a stateside readership without pesky legal complications, you think? You know, like those arising as a result of being caught in arrears infringing on a well established and equally well defended trademark? Put the shoe on the other foot, old top. Which way would your disgruntled demeanor swing then? Mmmmm?

Too, I suspect "slick" is not necessarily sincerity, moreover, and with regard to competition , "slick" would rise above its readership and lose respect for same, I suspect. See? I submit "Print" is dying and this requires operation much closer to the bone... of the readership and facilitating same.

Best of luck with your effort, eh?

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Fri Jun 25, 2010 3:16 am

Well Alfred, we'll just have to wait and see. But I did say no amount of waffle from you or anyone else would change the fatcs and that still remains the case. It's just a shame that those in the know couldn't cooperate in a friendly manner like other overeas publicatiions have done rather than issue threatening letters from attorneys.

UFO MATRIX looks just great with a truly international content. Treat yourself Alfred and buy a copy unpon publication next month and see if your psychic powers were correct and the cover logo was/was not changed. Best wishes old boy and happy waffling.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Thu Jul 01, 2010 12:50 am



It would seem the "powers that be" are intelligently sidestepping the issue of copyright infringement. I can detect none such in the current layout, which is as compelling as it is outstanding. I'm sure there is much gnashing of lawyerly teeth, eh? Too bad for them, though I suspect there are other ambulances coming along with which to give baying chase.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Thu Jul 01, 2010 3:26 am

Hi Alfred,

You good well be right. You see the attorney that sent me that silly letter really had jumped the gun. The original cover design was taken from a promotional copy that we had to produce for our distributors. We simply used the original image as a way of letting people know what was happening. The cover image was always going to remain the same but the actual text and logo on the cover was still very much in the design stage. Our publisher was at the printers yesterday and there may well still be a few small changes yet. All the falling out could have been avoided simply be asking a few simple questions in the first place. There was never a need for any attorneys letter. I rest my case m'lud.

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Philip.

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The content and production quality of UFO MATRIX are top class even if I do say so myself.
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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Thu Jul 01, 2010 4:59 pm

Hey, hold on, where'd you get that image?! Shocked

That cover looks awesome - but, healingofatlantis still has the original image up.
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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:27 am

The new cover is on the facebook fan group, but not on the subscription (website page). It is still issue #1 and I don't which is the actual cover. Frankly, if they are going with the new one -- I think it is much better than the original. Certainly they have nothing to complain about by changing it.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:33 am

I missed Philip's comment, so I assume it is the new one they are going with. Makes me wonder why there was such a fuss -- as far as I know, that was all that was needed, why wasn't the cover change just mentioned to begin with? I know Philip lives in the UK where things are slightly different, but here in the US, you must always think about the lawyers, especially when it comes to copyright, trademark and patents. The USPTO is damn strict about such things and really punishes people that don't have lawyers send out such letters. I know that because I live with someone that has 2 patents and trademarks have the exact same requirements.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Fri Jul 02, 2010 3:38 am

And let me add, I don't believe anyone at UFO Magazine wishes Philip or the magazine anything but success. Given the new magazine change I joined the facebook group. I have several friends that write for this publication and I certainly have never wished it ill. Nor do I believe that anyone at UFO Magazine has, irregardless of what Philip might think.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:13 pm

The cover image of the 3 beings is from graphic artist David Sankey. Dave has been paid accordingly and an agreement signed. Like I said previously, all this could have been avoided by a few discreet enquiries first rather than a shot across the bows from an attorney. There simply was no need for it under any circumstances. Bill and Nancy couild well wish us all the best but who tipped of UFO MAGAZINE INC in the first place ? And who informed them that we would be publishing UFO MATRIX in the USA ?

I have made my feelings quite clear and will not repeat them again. As I always stated right from the beginning UFO MATRIX will be published on schedule and UFO MAGAZINE INC can send as many silly bloody attorneys letters as they like as it will not change anything.

I am biased I know but I can assure you that UFO MATRIX is top class in both production quality and content and it is a publication that I am proud to be editor of. And as for the attorney, a Jule A. Maresca. She states that the average consumer may be confused and think the two publications are related. Stevie Wonder could see that these two publications are not related in any way at all. But again, the attorney jumped the gun as we had not finished our design and things may yet still alter.

All this has done is leave a bad taste in my mouth and one that should not be there. I wish UFO MAGAZINE every success but to those who alerted UFO MAGAZINE INC'S attorneys, whoever they are, can hang their head in shame.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:41 pm

"There simply was no need for it under any circumstances."

Forgetting for a moment that it is abundantly clear we must agree to disagree on the preceding —just for the reasons Ms. Guntar pointed out— "UFO" in big block print at the top of the magazine would provide for confusion in the most conservative of estimations. Any other thinking may be ludicrous where it is not pathological.

Though consider, avoided entirely presumably is the tragedy of disappointment your buyer would feel when they purchase our magazine thinking it is yours! You owe Bill and Nancy Birnes an apology and a heartfelt thanks, eh?


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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Sat Jul 03, 2010 2:34 am

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And who informed them that we would be publishing UFO MATRIX in the USA ?

My dear Philip, it was all over the internet. I posted your press release at my site as did many others. It isn't like it was some hidden information only shared with Bill and Nancy.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Sat Jul 03, 2010 5:44 am

Happy waffling Alfred.

UFO MATRIX is published on July 30th, but a copy and see if you tell the difference between it and UFO MAGAZINE. If you can't then you should have gone to specsavers.

I wish UFO MAGAZINE and Bill & Nancvy all the very best for the future.

Happy waffling Alfred but it changes nowt old lad.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Sat Jul 03, 2010 6:08 am

Philip -- as much as you may think so, there is nobody that is your enemy here. Even Alfred, like all of us wants the truth to be out there and has no ill will towards your magazine.

At one time, I was much like you. I was thinking that everyone should just allow whatever perceived infringements, infringements or attacks that may come and totally ignore all of them. Frankly, many people will use and take advantage of you if you allow that. It is a sad fact, but nobody at UFO Mag inc (whoever they are) has anymore reason to trust your magazine than they do any other magazine.

Here in the US, people have such disagreements at breakfast and enjoy a dinner together. It is business, not personal. I know that from experience and you shouldn't take it otherwise.

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Sat Jul 03, 2010 11:58 am

Har! Seems "waffling" must be another word for "candor" across the Atlantic pond. With regard to your new magazine, Sir, I'm sure it will be slick and shiny enough with which to "shave"... for those who do, eh?


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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Sun Jul 04, 2010 4:33 am

Waffling over here means something quite different old boy. UFO MATRIX will be a high quality publication in both production and content. In the first issue we will feature UFO research, investigation and sightings from the USA, UK, Turkey, Italy, Russia, Australia , Latin America and Sweden plus a whole lot more besides. It is a publication that I am proud to put my name to Alfred and one that will represent ufology in an extremely good light. That's what it's all about old lad and not an atorney in sight.

Treat yourself Alfred and but a copy and I can assure you that you will not be disappointed and you'll see that that it also bears no resemblance to UFO MAGAZINE at all.

Happy waffling.


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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Mon Jul 05, 2010 4:38 am

P.S.

All typos and spelling errors courtesy of me and not any attorney. And guess what, we still have UFO on the cover, of sorts that is.

UFO MATRIX, out July 30th via www.healingsofatlantis.com

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PostSubject: Re: Guilt by association.   Mon Jul 12, 2010 5:55 am

The first issue of UFO MATRIX is back from the printers and it looks just fantastic. It will go on sale as planned. If anyone thinks it looks remotely like UFO MAGAZINE then may I respectfully suggest someone point them in the direction of the nearest opticians.

As pointed out elsewhere UFO MATRIX will go on sale via Barnes & Noble and Borders in the USA. Copies and subscriptions can be made via: www.healingsofatlantis.com

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