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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sat Oct 17, 2009 8:54 pm

What was known before Egypt and Sumer arrived had nothing to do with religion, and the goddess (so-called) was a preserved idea that had to do with ELE's that had happened before, and, like Toba, almost did mankind in. The goddess idea was like the fixture on the wall that says: In case of fire - break glass.

Our problem (here religion) was caused by a snap climate event about 5400 years ago. Dr LaViolette's PhD research on galactic superwaves has shown we were hit with a minor one back then, which also meant the galactic center was shinning in the sky. This was the root of the ancient story of The Destruction of Mankind by the "EYE" in the sky.

Anyway, long story short, the people in pre-Egypt and Pre-Sumer "broke the glass" and waited for help. Help never came because there was no reason to come, it was only a minor event.

Those who adhered to the belief that they were all going to die unless they tried to fix the problem (which problem never really existed) began to create Egypt and Sumer as we know them. They rewrote all of their beliefs and made the sun the new "male god" and the last major destruction event C 13,000 BC now was called the creation of the world. It goes on from there as the centuries progress, but you get the idea.

Jesus fits into this and if you want details I can supply them.
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Mon Nov 23, 2009 6:48 am

My opinion.

How many times has the Bible been re-written? Who made those editors the authority on what should be in it? What was so wrong with the original, that King James had to change it? Who made the Tridentine Council the authority?

Having been raised as a Christian (Lutheran), in my adult life I found these questions to be troubling yet valid. If God created the Heavens, how do we know that God did not create other life forms on other worlds? Did the original Bible speak of this? We have no way of knowing. I think thta if extraterrestrials exist, some may be very angelic and well intentioned, while others may be demonic with evil intentions. Just as people here on earth are...
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Mon Nov 23, 2009 12:59 pm

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My opinion.

How many times has the Bible been re-written? Who made those editors the authority on what should be in it? What was so wrong with the original, that King James had to change it? Who made the Tridentine Council the authority?

While I would agree regarding the who's who of self-appointed answer-men, the bottom line is that there are no original texts. If memory serves, we have fragments from the second century and the first full text is 4rd century, so, right off the bat we have a problem.

But my approach has nothing to do with what ancient copy says what about Jesus. The problem is that, regarding the reading of the text, people don't actually read what is written; they read the way their priests tell them to read. How do they tell them to read? Simply put, it is drummed into the heads of every person that the end is still coming, and that Jesus is still coming as well. This has created the most epic failure imaginable.

What you need to see is that:
1) The messiah was never connected to end times doom.
2) Paul started the messianic doom idea.
3 - and the most important point) Everything was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago.

I have a list of verses from which I will share this idea. This is a small list and there are many more.

… it is already the hour for you to awaken from sleep; for now salvation is nearer to us than when we believed. The night is almost gone, and the day is at hand. (Ro.13:11, 12 Never happened.)

you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who shall also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ. (1Cor.1:7, 8 Never happened.)

Now these things … were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages has come. (You can’t get any plainer than that. 1Cor.10:11 Never happened.)

we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ … (Phil.3:20 Never happened.)

For yet in a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay. (Heb.10:37 Never happened.)

the coming of the Lord is at hand. … the Judge is standing right at the door. (James 5:7 9 Never happened.)

He … has appeared in these last times for the sake of you … (1Pet.1:20 Never happened.)

The end of all things is at hand. (1Pet.4:7 Never happened.)

There are MANY more verses that say the same thing. Paul et al, were wrong. Now the question is - why?

The answer is simple. There once was a story that said if doom was coming, there would be an intervention from above. Unfortunately, the cast of characters were changed by Egypt and Sumer because they thought (back C 3400 BC) that the end was coming. There was a snap global climate event caused by a minor galactic superwave. The galactic center was seen (again) shinning in the sky - the people freaked - waited for the alleged "help" from the sky, it never came (there was no reason to come, it was just a minor event), they thought their doctrine was wrong and rewrote everything. This is why we are in the mess we are in today.

This original story had to do with a sign - that of woman - symbol of life. They said it was wrong. In the rewrite they created a new character - the SON of the woman - who (in essence) would fix the error. This "son" was Horus in Egypt (and every variation of dying god that followed). Paul's story was based on this original idea, and the SON who would come. Unfortunately, the time was wrong - doom never came - and we have been in a hole doctrinally for the last 2000 years. If 2000 years doesn't paint a good enough picture for you regarding passed time, add 2000 years to today. That would be 4009 AD - a LONG time without THINKING.





Having been raised as a Christian (Lutheran), in my adult life I found these questions to be troubling yet valid. If God created the Heavens, how do we know that God did not create other life forms on other worlds? Did the original Bible speak of this? We have no way of knowing.

All of what the OT speaks of was part of the rewrite of history that began with Egypt and Sumer. The feminine center (the symbol of life) became the masculine center - the god. The sun was the biggest "ball of light" in the sky, and so must be THE god of gods (the word "god" was not used - so what could have been flying around in his BOAT going across the sky?)

There is no god. There never was. The concept was created by humans at an exact time - just over 5000 years ago. If you look back beyond 5000 years, 6000, 10,000 ... you will find no reference to a head honcho god.




I think that if extraterrestrials exist, some may be very angelic and well intentioned, while others may be demonic with evil intentions. Just as people here on earth are...


Evil is a brain malfunction; even psychopaths have an undersized amygdala, plus whatever other problems they might have. We have inherited a ton of guess-work from past ages. There are no devils, angels, gods, or anything else like that. What there is, is a bigger neighborhood than we ever imagined. Just like as we grew up we learned there was more to our immediate neighborhood than we ever realized, there is more going on in space than we realized.

The time has come to wake up - see what is there - stop projecting OUR ways on THEM. There is no evil - just a bio-mechanical screwup as with any machine; a BAD BRAIN that doesn't work right ... and we are - machines.




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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sun Dec 06, 2009 10:01 am

So far in my studies I have found that we humans have a need to identify things so that when we communicate we associate the word with the thing we want to communicate to others. Symbols be they, in word or drawing communicate thought. Feeling and emotion are learned responses to symbols. The Swastika is a perfect example of this. In it's first usage it was a symbol of good luck. It has now been turned into one of the most hated symbols of the century. Religion is an interpretation of thought. Religion all over the planet can be interpreted in many ways but has many basic elements. I always liked Bob Dean's comment that the Bible was a guide book for us to follow. It seems that no matter what religion we are talking about, there has always been a first writing of it. Perhaps there was a guide book left and it has been interpreted by the symbols each culture chose to communicate.
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sun Dec 06, 2009 12:09 pm

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I always liked Bob Dean's comment that the Bible was a guide book for us to follow. It seems that no matter what religion we are talking about, there has always been a first writing of it. Perhaps there was a guide book left and it has been interpreted by the symbols each culture chose to communicate.

If you notice, people seem to be stuck in a time zone that never goes back beyond a certain point in history. The day I realized that was the day I began to understand what is really going on.

1) There was an event C 5400 year ago. And this event caused ....

2) People (Egypt and Sumer) to rewrite EVERYTHING because they thought they were wrong.

If there ever was a "first book" - it was the rewritten version of truth.

Why do you think we are so confused? Logic would dictate that if we indeed had "truth" as our foundation, we wouldn't be so screwed up and wouldn't be going in so many different directions.

Everybody needs to stop ...

Everybody needs to take a deep breath ...

Everybody needs to realize that we screwed up and we need to fix the mistake before we go on.

What mistake? Oddly, the exact same thing we are discussing: We "saw" something ... we interpreted what was going on ... we were wrong ... we followed WRONG into the labyrinth ... and we have been walking around in this maze for over 5000 years.

Hello? Time to come out and straighten up the mess we created.
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PostSubject: RE: ufo's and religion   Thu Dec 10, 2009 6:48 pm

This thread of posts bring up some good points. The central issue however is, we don't have any knowledge of alien cultures! When has any UFO abductee learned anything about the culture of these beings? There religion, sports, music, philosphy or government; are almost always unknown to us. There are a few rare examples that touch on religion. One I recall reading was "The Andreasson Affair" in the 1980's. The abductee encountered beings that accepted her Bible as spiritual food! They took her on a journey that led to the viewing of a giant Phoenix like bird. Was this there God; the Holy Spirit perhaps? Smile
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Fri Dec 11, 2009 11:27 am

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This thread of posts bring up some good points. The central issue however is, we don't have any knowledge of alien cultures! When has any UFO abductee learned anything about the culture of these beings? There religion, sports, music, philosphy or government; are almost always unknown to us. There are a few rare examples that touch on religion. One I recall reading was "The Andreasson Affair" in the 1980's. The abductee encountered beings that accepted her Bible as spiritual food! They took her on a journey that led to the viewing of a giant Phoenix like bird. Was this there God; the Holy Spirit perhaps? Smile

It has to be understood that symbolic references are a carryover from a time in our history when vocabulary was not as structured as today. We actually do not need symbols anymore as we can articulate anything.

As far as Betty goes, or any abductee / contactee for that matter, the challenge of this type of information that I created showed in its final outcome that there is no way to say, one way or the other, if said experience was real. In my own life I never had an ET related dream until I began to read about it; and if these dreams were coming because of what I was reading they are nothing more than day residue creations.

Now at this point some people have a problem because of beliefs they hold that have been constructed from "things" that others (or themselves) have said they experienced or saw in a dream. The idea is, maybe they did - but then too ... maybe they didn't. Herein is the problem. If it was just a dream and you believe it, and the data is really fantasy, now what?

This all ties into Betty's experience as we have no idea if what she saw was real or not. Hypnosis / memory retrieval is not trustworthy either as a method of data retrieval, and this has been brought out by researchers.

So, where does that leave us? As you stated we know nothing about any of the inner (or obvious) workings of ET's life. But then, did we know at one time? In all honesty I don't think we ever did. The picture I am juggling shows that we were given a single idea / single piece of information some 40,000 years ago. There were no details, no explanations, just a single piece of information that it seems they wanted to see how we would handle it / preserve it. We waited some 30,000 years for the deeper explanation, and I am assuming we had simply evolved to the point where we could handle more. If my picture is right, at least SOME PEOPLE had a deeper understanding of ET - but we lost it all 5000+ years ago.

Now, just for clarification sake, I am saying REAL information COULD be found in a dream or hypnosis session. HOWEVER, there is no way to prove which experience is real, or which was created by day residue in our minds; hence it cannot be trusted - and THIS would be a lesson.

Do I have "final outcome" ideas? Yes. These ideas are based in a picture today which covers the last 67 years, with a background that goes back in time about 450 years and beyond. Do I believe it? The answer is it doesn't make any difference if it is right or wrong, because my FINAL conclusions based on everything is simply this: If the sh*t hits the fan, we are OUT OF HERE. This is based on a final idea after the elimination of all bad data. Either they help us - or we die in the event. Data says we will be helped.

Now, I constructed that idea without symbols; we don't need symbols, we articulate. 10,000+ years ago, the last time DOOM hit, there was a memory device / symbol in place. The picture is, those who held to the idea were saved. Those who didn't (the Clovis culture) died. That is the final answer I can give; an answer which, if also eliminated, starts you all over again with the question: Why are they here?

Now, if we incorporate the New Testament data, the pictures are identical, but the religious rhetoric has been removed. Paul was 100% correct, however, he made 2 critical errors:
1) He looked at the picture around him, just like we do today, incorporated the political unrest that existed, added a picture of intense aurora data (found by Dr Andrew Solow of Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts), a picture that said things like this:
In Lucania, it was alleged that the heavens had
been on fire; at Privernum the Sun had been
glowing red through the whole of a cloudless day;
at the temple of Juno Sospita in Lanuvium a
terrible noise was heard in the night.

There was even a description that went as far as to say that a phantom navy had been seen shining in the sky.

... Paul put it all together and said DOOM (the Day of the Lord) is coming.

2) He then used the rewritten version of this story, the one that includes "the son" of the goddess / woman and god, and said that a multiplicity of beings from the sky (the text calls angels) would come and save the believers before the Day of the Lord would come. Unfortunately, he was wrong. It was not the time. He made the same mistake people make today, and it never happened. On the upside, the NT is the most important piece of information we have.

If we look at the modern picture, heaven is outer space, and who do you think actually lives out there - angels? It's the same story with the errors isolated and removed.

D'Olivet was right when he said: "...men are not so far from the truth as they generally believe. Their greatest error is in searching for it where it is not, and in attaching it to forms, whereas, they ought, on the contrary, to avoid form in order to dwell upon the essence."
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Fri Dec 11, 2009 6:27 pm

Onlychild, I really like your thinking as it sure corresponds to my thinking also. Why did the India Mahabarata speak of flying machine that were miles long?? Why is there details in this book telling how to make these units,Viminas, that can do battle in the sky and seems having some good air to air missiles. If this goes back to 20-30,000 years ago were are the Gods that we talk about today. They don't exist as the bible speaks of them. As you say the bible was written by man and turned upside down, wrong side out but should have never been written unless it stated it was a Fairy Story of tales.

If you don't think man doesn't have a imagination look how many millions of books that have been printed...

You want a good one, think this one over. Give man enough wine and some dope to smoke and then ask him to write a book of how the world should be...LOL...
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sun Dec 13, 2009 12:23 am

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Onlychild, I really like your thinking as it sure corresponds to my thinking also. Why did the India Mahabarata speak of flying machine that were miles long?? Why is there details in this book telling how to make these units,Viminas, that can do battle in the sky and seems having some good air to air missiles.

Craft were a known item, and it doesn't shock me to read about it. One of the problems I had when I looked at this years back was dating. If everyone agreed on dates (and maybe they have by now) it would make things easier.

My first question would be: where are at least the artifacts of these craft? Stories are stories and the ideas behind them are valid, but if they were really around SOMEONE must have hidden SOMETHING away we could use as proof. It's like the alleged atomic war in the text - get real.


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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sun Dec 13, 2009 8:26 am

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Yes I have wondered many times myself why there were not some parts laying around to be dug up and studied. But then I have to think of today, there is nothing left laying around at any of these supposedly crash sites that the public knows about. Maybe one day we will know the truth about the UFO's. I would like to know as I have seen some strange things during my life so far and not explained.
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:07 am

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Yes I have wondered many times myself why there were not some parts laying around to be dug up and studied. But then I have to think of today, there is nothing left laying around at any of these supposedly crash sites that the public knows about.

Well, allegedly WE swept those sites clean, but the first question that always hits my mind is - WHERE WAS THE RESCUE PARTY? Take Roswell for instance; what was it - 2 days - before the debris field was found? And ALLEGEDLY there were bodies and one survivor? OK, no one comes down to rescue the survivor or grab the bodies, maybe grab or destroy debris that they don't want to fall into our hands? There is something wrong ( I feel ) with that picture. Now granted it could all be, or at least in part be, pure BS or at least a built upon story. But it has always bothered me that if there are a plurality of craft in the sky, why is it that no one comes to help? Maybe these crashes never happened?

Maybe one day we will know the truth about the UFO's. I would like to know as I have seen some strange things during my life so far and not explained.

Personally, were it not for a handful of experiences I had in my youth (and you have like 13 years on me), I would be very temped to raise the BS flag. Everything I have looked at leads in one direction, something not very nice is coming, and it makes too much sense for the perps to present pictures that keeps people busy thinking about nothing but BS. People are so engrossed in the trivial aspects of this subject, they never make any real progress understanding what's going on.

It's like 2012 ... I think if I hear that date one more time .... lol!

HELLOOOOOO .... I have at least 2 more dates that will completely confuse your already confused 2012 paranoia.


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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sun Dec 13, 2009 10:55 am

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I know this doesn't have much to do with the subject we are talking about but you mentioned things that happened when you were younger. When I was 12 years old is when my mother and I, living in Illinois, seen some UFO's in the Northern sky, really high and shining like a diamond was a huge cigar shaped ship and 4 smaller ones beneath the big one. We scanned them with binoculars but still could not ID them as aircraft.
Anyway after that I started having out of body experiences when sleeping. Dad and Mom would be talking about going to visit some of his co-workers for a visit and then I would dream of flying to their house and going thru all of the rooms, seeing the furniture and objects in the house. Now if you don't think that don't make the hair stand up on the back of your neck when you go to the house and it is all just as the dream happened. Whew..had a few of those and was kind of scary to a young lad then.

These continued until I was 16 when I seen 2 ufo's at night flying from the southeast to northwest and passing above us at around 500'. The disk were about 75' in diameter and in a formation with the left hand one in the lead on the North side of the road, silent and moving at a pretty good clip. After about 10 minutes passed and we were jabbering about them they returned on the South side of the road and still in the same formation. Later we found out they had been spotted in Terre Haute, Inidana and over Chanute air base here in Illinois up by Champaign.

My Dad and I had been working on his 33 Plymouth car the next day and we had to drop the tie rod to get something off of the car and fix. The tie rod had a screw in capture nut that had a cotter pin to lock in place and he told me to remind him to make sure he put that back in. We both forgot to do this and the next day driving back from work and he had to work very late that night the damn nut backed out and he flipped the car. Luckly he got thrown clear of it doing about 60mph and not hurt. But I had a dream at the same time this happened and knew exactly where it happened. When he got home he was talking about it and I said I will tell you were you dumped the car. I told him and he was stunned.

I never had anymore of those dreams after that incident. The last time I saw anything is when I was in the Navy and we had just went across the equator going to Australia. I was on the submarine USS Blackfin(SS322) in 1959. I had went up topside for some fresh air and a smoke when I noticed a ruby red object flying from the East going West. As there was 4 others up there on watch and all with binoculars we were looking at it but could not determine anything of it. It seemed to be flying about the speed of a high flying jet and up at 40,000 ft. but when it finally got right in front of the bow area the damn thing turned 90 degrees down and plunged into the ocean. It was not a arc turn like a airplane would make if it was in trouble, it was abrut 90. We called down to the radio shack to see if any SOS's had been sent but he said no.

I have seen some other anomolies but I think they were cloud formations but haven't really seen anything to get excited about since then. I keep looking tho and have read tons of UFO books, most of them BS ones too.
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sun Dec 13, 2009 4:04 pm

Anything you can verify with hard data, even if it's just for yourself, makes it a real event. People seem to think they have to prove things to others; I've seen it a million times. Even ONE event is verification.

Based on an event I saw where a craft disappeared from front to back as if it was going into something (something that wasn't there), and a single engine plane that vanished from the sky (but I could still hear it), I have to wonder how many crafts are actually there right in front of us all the time, and we can't see them. Unless this has another explanation, what kind of see through invisibility exists that can hide something flying over it, or into it? I mean, that plane was no longer in the sky. It was a cloudless day, blue sky, I could hear the plane but it wasn't there.

I dunno.
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Sun Dec 13, 2009 6:28 pm

When reading the book on Vimina's by David Childress and how they were constructed it was intresting to read they had the capablities to make their machines invisibile. I loaned that book out and need to get it back from my friend. There would only be two ways in doing this and that would be electrical or using light in some form or could be a combo of both of them together to make them disappear. Since lots of people report seeing them and then disappearing right before their eyes I suppose they still have the power to switch something on and create a false atmosphere around them. I wonder if this happens at night or only in the day time?? If it was only daytime then it could be some source of using sun power and mirrors to make them look like they are gone. Maybe one of these days, Huh!!!
Sounds like you had a couple good experiences along in your life also. They would be mind blowing in away just to fly into a nothing and disappear.

I have read this one a couple times but right now could not put my hands on it even if I wanted to.
I think it was in 1908 the Greeks and Turks were having a battle at some narrow pass and advancing on each other, around 200 men, and as they met in this pass a dark cloud desended upon them and lifted off and everyone was gone. I have never read any verification of this anyplace so don't know if this was a fable too.
To many strange things still going on in our world we don't have answers for.

Let me throw this one on you and you can check it out. http://s8int.com/page8.html This will get your thinking cap on.
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Mon Dec 14, 2009 9:51 am

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When reading the book on Vimina's by David Childress and how they were constructed it was intresting to read they had the capablities to make their machines invisibile. I loaned that book out and need to get it back from my friend. There would only be two ways in doing this and that would be electrical or using light in some form or could be a combo of both of them together to make them disappear. Since lots of people report seeing them and then disappearing right before their eyes I suppose they still have the power to switch something on and create a false atmosphere around them. I wonder if this happens at night or only in the day time?? If it was only daytime then it could be some source of using sun power and mirrors to make them look like they are gone. Maybe one of these days, Huh!!!

Your guess is as good as mine - I have NO clue. All we have are Vimana stories without artifacts; no proof.

When I saw the things going on in the sky while sitting on the back patio at the school, I chalked it all up to entertainment. I would see a formation of 4 or 5 craft slowly making their way across the sky, look down and put my cigarette out, look up - they were gone. But wait - here they come again in the exact same formation in the exact place in the sky they were before. Like I said, entertainment LOL.




Sounds like you had a couple good experiences along in your life also. They would be mind blowing in away just to fly into a nothing and disappear.

Mine started in the 50s. Woke up to a lit-up bedroom, shadows of the tops of heads (?) going by that window, and little people coming in my room. It would be a good 40 years before I found out THAT was happening to others.



I have read this one a couple times but right now could not put my hands on it even if I wanted to.
I think it was in 1908 the Greeks and Turks were having a battle at some narrow pass and advancing on each other, around 200 men, and as they met in this pass a dark cloud descended upon them and lifted off and everyone was gone. I have never read any verification of this anyplace so don't know if this was a fable too.
To many strange things still going on in our world we don't have answers for.

I never heard that one. See if you can find it.



Let me throw this one on you and you can check it out. http://s8int.com/page8.html This will get your thinking cap on.

Yeah, that site has been around for awhile - seems to have grown some LOL.

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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Mon Dec 14, 2009 11:02 am

Had a hard time finding this on the net but here it is.
http://theunexplainedmysteries.com/human-disappear.html
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Mon Dec 14, 2009 8:06 pm

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Had a hard time finding this on the net but here it is.
http://theunexplainedmysteries.com/human-disappear.html
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Just taking that at face value, that's some funny sh*t. Reminds me of the time when I was a teen in the 60s when I saw a craft in the sky. Short story is, it left, I got sick and had to lay down, but later my neighbor had said I vanished off the front steps of the house. Now maybe he was mistaken and that was when I tried to get to the lounge chair on the side of the house, but he swore that he turned around for a just a second cuz he heard something, looked back - and I wasn't there. I have NO idea LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Mon Jan 11, 2010 2:01 pm

Great thread folks...

Please forgive me if what I say has been covered elsewhere on this board, I'm new to this message board.

As a matter of full disclosure, I'm a Christian with Gnostic and Hindu leanings, so I do believe in Christ and to a slightly lesser extent, I believe in Angels and Demons and such...though I don't claim to have ever experienced these beings.

I would like to recommend that UFO Magazine interview a man by the name of Dr. Chuck Missler to get his opinions and the evidence he has for his views. Missler is a former NASA scientist but also a Christian and he makes a very compelling case that we are in the middle of a mass apostasy and he theorizes that aliens are indeed fallen angels, trying to shake our faith...and they are doing a good job.

I know from experience that "God" and "UFO's" mix like oil and water, lots of people carry around a lot of bad or unnecessary baggage from organized religion but I think we need to separate religion from the issue. Organized religion is manmade and thus fallible, forget it. But to me, there is an abundance of evidence suggestive of a higher power at work in the universe...I make no claims as to what this power is...let's (for the sake of argument) label it God.

Is it possible that God created more than one earth-like planet in this vast universe? I'd say it's probable. Is it possible that we are not alone in the universe (much less the galaxy), again, probable. The odds are against us being the only sentient animals in the universe (apologies to dolphins and chimps). Is it possible that a God created us along with millions of other races? why not? So, what we are seeing COULD be aliens from other planets coming to experiment on us...could be.

But leading authorities in this field, Valee for one, have suggested that these beings are interdimentional...this sort of jump doesn't jive with our physics but then again, maybe we are cosmic 1st graders and "they" are cosmic graduate students in terms of technology and knowledge of the universe and it's laws.

I could write an entire book on my own theories and I think I could support it all with mounds of circumstantial evidence...of course none of us can lay claim to empirical knowledge of what is going on. But again, I would urge you all to at least listen to Dr. Chuck Missler with an open mind. If you listen with an open mind and still don't agree...so be it. But i think he makes a very compelling case for his theories and it's certainly worth at least hearing him out. Look for him on YouTube.

I respectfully call on the journalists writing for the magazine to interview Dr. Missler (again, apologies if you have already done so in the past). We all claim to be open minded, but I’ve found that when it comes to Christian views on the subject, many get outright belligerent if not only closed minded. What does it hurt to listen and discuss in a rational and respectful manner?

This all being said, I know that many on the "religious right" can be overbearing and know-it-all-ish. They get very fierce about their religion and claim that if you don't subscribe to the letter and law of their book, you are a fool and will burn in hell. That's only SOME of the most extreme zealots out there. Most are people like me who can debate respectfully and still be friends with the atheist or agnostic...just as long as the atheist isn't a zealot as well. There's room in the middle for us all to discuss our ideas openly and honestly without resorting to religion bashing, condescending behavior or name calling. RIGHT?
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PostSubject: Re: ufos and religon   Mon Jan 11, 2010 3:37 pm

Hi Brad

The Christ topic was the first topic I began with back in 1973. I believe I posted my final conclusions in here somewhere, but the bottom line is that Paul's claims of a coming doom (the day of the lord) and a return of the main character (Jesus) was supposed to have happened 2000 years ago. The text itself is explicit on this matter, and scholars have tightened up the study over the years by showing that the language used, for instance between 1 and 2 Thessalonians, belongs to two different writers; the second writer dealing with the fact that the end had not yet come.

I have isolated a list of verses that show beyond a shadow of a doubt that Paul's approach was for the doom and return to have happened 2000 years ago, and simply put, it never happened. The problem recognizing this fact has come from the preachers, and we are mentally inundated with the simple fact that it is talking about TODAY from the time we are children. We call this approach brainwashing. As we grow up the inundation continues, and like any religion becomes a permanent foundation in our minds. If I brought up Islam to you, you would have no problem seeing the picture that they are wrong, just as they see you as wrong. It's a simple picture to fix, however, the fear factor is also ingrained in you mind - God will kick your butt if you leave his religion.

Is ET evil? In a word - no. "Evil" is nothing more than a brain malfunction, and the picture would be akin to the idea that a good auto mechanic would know how to fix the problems with his car. A physical brain is nothing more than a bio-mechanical machine. All machines go on the fritz for one reason or the other, but if you have the expertise to fix them, they should run at top efficiency. The bottom line is that ET has been here all along, they just don't get involved with "first graders." If they were evil and they wanted something, they would have brushed us aside long ago and taken what they wanted.

In essence, WE are our own problem. Cognitive compromise (that runs on a scale of 1-10) is where we are screwing up. 1 would be simply not thinking correctly due lack of hard data, or simply not realizing HOW the brain works (leaning too much to one hemisphere). As we approach the top of that scale, bio-mechanical compromises arrive in the picture, and thinking is shorting out. Like any machine, it just isn't functioning correctly.

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