Lesley ...... "I hope you don't take that the wrong way."


Thanks Lesley. No, I knew coming in that I would need to be careful not to take any of the reactions to my perspective as "attacks against me personally", it's a very sensitive topic once religion and belief systems are introduced into the ufo discussion, so I'll do my best to try and keep it calm and enjoyable as we bounce our different views and opinions back and forth on the subject. I do understand that the religion perspective can grind on some peoples nerves, so I'll try and be understanding of that too.

The main reason why I tread with caution on the ET subject is because the Bible does tell of how satan and the other fallen angels who rebelled so long ago were cast down to the earth, and how they rule the air , have the capability to do amazing things that humans cannot do, etc. , and that their ultimate goal will be to deceive mankind and try and steer as many children of God away from him before the end .... it all just strikes me as odd that the UFO/ET phenomenon seems to fit into this warning almost to a tee.

When I raise certain points about sightings, abductions, etc , I'm just trying to show how it might fit into what the Bible has warned about ... of course I could be wrong too, but I do have a very strong gut feeling that something isn't jiving with the ET experience to convince me that "all is well" and that they don't have some sinister hidden agenda.

Satan doesn't want anyone to follow God, he is at war with God over the inhabitants of the earth. Satan is more than capable of appearing as intellegent ET's and sugar-coating his message and lacing it with nice messages of "you can be a god"...."we can all be gods" ... "reject the message of Jesus as the Savior of the human race, you don't need a savior" ... in a nut-shell this is what got satan into trouble to begin with when he rebelled against God , so to me it makes sense that if an ET is giving a similar message that coaxes people away from the Biblical account of things, and steers them in a direction of rejecting the biblical story of God, it would fit in exactly with what the bible warned about on how satan would attempt to deceive mankind ... I really can't think of a better plan of deception than that if its true. It already looks like its working "Big-time".

In the end its told that satan would bring a hybrid-type of person into mankind known as the anti-christ ... where he would demand that people possibly reject religion in order to be part of the new world order, to buy and sell goods, etc ... he would demand that mankind worship him instead of Jesus .. etc, ..... my point is that if the ET's are related to the warning of the bible, then we need to discern what message they're giving and try and see if it is attempting to steer us away from worshipping God, as most humans do.

I don't see it as a stretch to imagine satan using ufology to deceive mankind, but I'm also trying to keep an open mind towards all possibilities too, as you and others have pointed out.

The main thing I look for is ... "you can judge a tree by its fruit" ... try and see what the fruit is on the ET tree , what are they doing, what is their message, etc.

The only thing that disclosure or an alien landing on the White House lawn would prove is that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe. It would prove we are not alone, and that would change the course of our thought processes. We could also learn what their religious beliefs they would have, if any.

Personally, I am into the nuts and bolts of UFOs. I want to know if we really have been visited by aliens. Although there is evidence, there is still no proof or smoking gun. Once proof aliens have visited us has been verified, then we could get into the spiritual and dogma side of the debate. Let's prove that flying saucers are among us first.

I agree with the statement that UFOs and flying saucers exist. The question is are they ET? I think there is much evidence that points in that direction. There have been some excellent cases that support such a hypothesis.

However, there is no concrete proof or smoking gun to show they are extraterrestrial.

I also think the government has a few saucers and/or alien probes in their possession, but that number is much smaller than what many researchers think and claim.

That's true, Lake, they can be anything. It will be interesting to find out what they actually are.

I didn't mean to sound snarky, and apologize if that's how I came across.

It is probable that the aliens who have visited us are millions (if not billions) of years more advanced than we are. While there are some probable UFO sightings in the Bible and other religious writings, it is too hard to separate the myth from the reality from such sources.

We can only speculate as to what, if any, belief systems the extraterrestrials have.

While the fallen angels idea is interesting, it will be laughed off by the scientific community, which does not believe in anything paranormal or supernatural.

What was known before Egypt and Sumer arrived had nothing to do with religion, and the goddess (so-called) was a preserved idea that had to do with ELE's that had happened before, and, like Toba, almost did mankind in. The goddess idea was like the fixture on the wall that says: In case of fire - break glass.

Our problem (here religion) was caused by a snap climate event about 5400 years ago. Dr LaViolette's PhD research on galactic superwaves has shown we were hit with a minor one back then, which also meant the galactic center was shinning in the sky. This was the root of the ancient story of The Destruction of Mankind by the "EYE" in the sky.

Anyway, long story short, the people in pre-Egypt and Pre-Sumer "broke the glass" and waited for help. Help never came because there was no reason to come, it was only a minor event.

Those who adhered to the belief that they were all going to die unless they tried to fix the problem (which problem never really existed) began to create Egypt and Sumer as we know them. They rewrote all of their beliefs and made the sun the new "male god" and the last major destruction event C 13,000 BC now was called the creation of the world. It goes on from there as the centuries progress, but you get the idea.

Jesus fits into this and if you want details I can supply them.

My opinion.

How many times has the Bible been re-written? Who made those editors the authority on what should be in it? What was so wrong with the original, that King James had to change it? Who made the Tridentine Council the authority?

Having been raised as a Christian (Lutheran), in my adult life I found these questions to be troubling yet valid. If God created the Heavens, how do we know that God did not create other life forms on other worlds? Did the original Bible speak of this? We have no way of knowing. I think thta if extraterrestrials exist, some may be very angelic and well intentioned, while others may be demonic with evil intentions. Just as people here on earth are...

So far in my studies I have found that we humans have a need to identify things so that when we communicate we associate the word with the thing we want to communicate to others. Symbols be they, in word or drawing communicate thought. Feeling and emotion are learned responses to symbols. The Swastika is a perfect example of this. In it's first usage it was a symbol of good luck. It has now been turned into one of the most hated symbols of the century. Religion is an interpretation of thought. Religion all over the planet can be interpreted in many ways but has many basic elements. I always liked Bob Dean's comment that the Bible was a guide book for us to follow. It seems that no matter what religion we are talking about, there has always been a first writing of it. Perhaps there was a guide book left and it has been interpreted by the symbols each culture chose to communicate.