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PostSubject: Its something like this   Mon Apr 19, 2010 10:14 pm

1988 movie by John Carpenter called " They Live " seems to portray what we have goin on today.

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PostSubject: Re: Its something like this   Tue Apr 20, 2010 10:34 am

Mmm - movie cheese LOL.

If this ET story was anywhere near true, we would have the data passed down from our ancestors - or, we would have been dead a long time ago. The part of the brain at work here is the R-complex which feeds the picture of fear / flight or fight. This happens because we have no information to work with, and so, we jump to conclusions, in this case fear fed from lack of information.

Now, what is going on with the so-called powers that be is traceable information, even to an origin point in the 1600s - 1700s when the secret societies began to grow, and seeming absorbed a small group of "people who knew" what the story was.

I am not trying to be a trouble-maker with these posts, I am trying to show people that without data, conclusions are no better than guesswork. And we have a ton of nothing but groundless beliefs that have kept humanity in a fog for generations.


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PostSubject: Re: Its something like this   Tue Apr 20, 2010 12:16 pm

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I am trying to show people that without data conclusions are no better than guesswork. And we have a ton of nothing but groundless beliefs that have kept humanity in a fog for generations.

My portrayel is not meant to be taken as literal truth. It presents an uncanny resemblance of todays affairs. Your first sentence in the above quote shows me your an academic of sorts and need proof to the story mankind is a plundered species with an obscure record of intervention based historical events. I can tell you, there is something operating in the back ground of humankind which only a small percentage can detect over the noise of life.

You have to use forensic observation of what your inner sense tells you when in the mix. Although you may need proof to compell your thinking to beleive what you see or hear or smell or even think to whats occuring around you, I prefere to use another hidden sense within from which not many are aware of.

You make a fine point with the last sentence of groundless beleifs keeping humankind in a fog. The world is full of it and your mind has to filter the noise from the truth which is not easily found no matter how much proof one may have in hand. Proof is only as good as the minds capacity to filter out the glitter of life for whats behind the shiney illusion of order to know the backend of the workings.
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PostSubject: Re: Its something like this   Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:50 am

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My portrayel is not meant to be taken as literal truth. It presents an uncanny resemblance of todays affairs.

I realize that ... I just don't agree.


Although you may need proof to compell your thinking to beleive what you see or hear or smell or even think to whats occuring around you, I prefere to use another hidden sense within from which not many are aware of.

That should qualify under the heading of magical thinking; a hidden sense that not many are aware of that allows one to bypass "proof" collected in the conventional sense. The problem with this is that no matter what explanation one gives, one should be able to break said explanations down into words the "rest of us" can understand, and then break it down even further to study the mechanics behind it.


You make a fine point with the last sentence of groundless beleifs keeping humankind in a fog. The world is full of it and your mind has to filter the noise from the truth which is not easily found no matter how much proof one may have in hand. Proof is only as good as the minds capacity to filter out the glitter of life for whats behind the shiney illusion of order to know the backend of the workings.

Anything that exists can be explained. We may not have all the details, hence a beginning quest using fuzzy logic would be in order, but trust me - I am well aware of the masks people wear in this subject as well as the methods used to present alleged explanations. There is an interesting key involved: Why would ET slip the secrets of the higher order of things in the universe to people who can't even get their own life together?


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PostSubject: Re: Its something like this   Wed Apr 21, 2010 5:13 pm

onlychild wrote:
Gigas wrote:

My portrayel is not meant to be taken as literal truth. It presents an uncanny resemblance of todays affairs.

I realize that ... I just don't agree.

Free will at work

Although you may need proof to compell your thinking to beleive what you see or hear or smell or even think to whats occuring around you, I prefere to use another hidden sense within from which not many are aware of.

That should qualify under the heading of magical thinking; a hidden sense that not many are aware of that allows one to bypass "proof" collected in the conventional sense. The problem with this is that no matter what explanation one gives, one should be able to break said explanations down into words the "rest of us" can understand, and then break it down even further to study the mechanics behind it.

I see, because you don't have it, it is magical thinking. would that anology of yours apply to quantum thesis since very few, other than those it is written for, would understand the concepts. Can you show me an atom. You did fall for that text book hidden explanation of reality, didn't you. What about quarks or pisons or pryons or double slit theory or all the other exotic text book invisibilities surrounding everybody. BTW, the atom explanation has been circumsized to now show the nucleus is not orbited by protons and electrons. Nope, now the protons and electrons pop on and off around the nucleus. The rotational thing is now out. WOW!, whats next.


You make a fine point with the last sentence of groundless beleifs keeping humankind in a fog. The world is full of it and your mind has to filter the noise from the truth which is not easily found no matter how much proof one may have in hand. Proof is only as good as the minds capacity to filter out the glitter of life for whats behind the shiney illusion of order to know the backend of the workings.


Anything that exists can be explained. We may not have all the details, hence a beginning quest using fuzzy logic would be in order, but trust me - I am well aware of the masks people wear in this subject as well as the methods used to present alleged explanations. There is an interesting key involved: Why would ET slip the secrets of the higher order of things in the universe to people who can't even get their own life together?


Ironic, anything that exist can be explained and fuzzy logic will explain the rest. Ya think maybe fuzzy logic is the catch all for those who write reality for the rest of us. With that analogy you have to have fuzzy faith in the abductee stories. You should impliment a thinking correction to the stories dismissed by your text book thinking. Everything has truth buried in it for the deep thinkers to extract. People donot interpret events in all the same way when the alien intrusion is conducted. The one thing is this, they have had an experience and the mind may or may not replay a similar event as others abducted report it. Perhaps you are biased to only certain stories you like, thus you put your stamp of approval to those stories and to heck with the others.

The one thing I notice of your interest is this, you drop hints that you have had experience in the abduction experience yet you dismiss it when something is placed before you that goes against your limited experience with the comparative acceptable input of the continued events.


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PostSubject: Re: Its something like this   Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:16 pm

[quote="Gigas"][quote="onlychild"]
Gigas wrote:

My portrayel is not meant to be taken as literal truth. It presents an uncanny resemblance of todays affairs.

I realize that ... I just don't agree.

Free will at work


Free will based on data (or lack thereof) ... you cannot present a picture without information to back it up.


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Although you may need proof to compell your thinking to beleive what you see or hear or smell or even think to whats occuring around you, I prefere to use another hidden sense within from which not many are aware of.

That should qualify under the heading of magical thinking; a hidden sense that not many are aware of that allows one to bypass "proof" collected in the conventional sense. The problem with this is that no matter what explanation one gives, one should be able to break said explanations down into words the "rest of us" can understand, and then break it down even further to study the mechanics behind it.

I see, because you don't have it, it is magical thinking.


Well again, there is no explanation, no supportive data - just a movie.




would that anology of yours apply to quantum thesis since very few, other than those it is written for, would understand the concepts.
Can you show me an atom. You did fall for that text book hidden explanation of reality, didn't you. What about quarks or pisons or pryons or double slit theory or all the other exotic text book invisibilities surrounding everybody. BTW, the atom explanation has been circumsized to now show the nucleus is not orbited by protons and electrons. Nope, now the protons and electrons pop on and off around the nucleus. The rotational thing is now out. WOW!, whats next.



So ... you group your beliefs in a context of science, and so now, to you, everything you "see" is justified because science uses this idea and if it works for them, it should work for you? Even science knows the ideas must be proven, at least mathematically.

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You make a fine point with the last sentence of groundless beleifs keeping humankind in a fog. The world is full of it and your mind has to filter the noise from the truth which is not easily found no matter how much proof one may have in hand. Proof is only as good as the minds capacity to filter out the glitter of life for whats behind the shiney illusion of order to know the backend of the workings.


Anything that exists can be explained. We may not have all the details, hence a beginning quest using fuzzy logic would be in order, but trust me - I am well aware of the masks people wear in this subject as well as the methods used to present alleged explanations. There is an interesting key involved: Why would ET slip the secrets of the higher order of things in the universe to people who can't even get their own life together?


Ironic, anything that exist can be explained and fuzzy logic will explain the rest.

I didn't say that. In this context, where data is scarce at least, fuzzy logic would be a best guess based on what we do have. The important point would be that it is known that all the data isn't in; this would be a best guess hypothesis.


Ya think maybe fuzzy logic is the catch all for those who write reality for the rest of us. With that analogy you have to have fuzzy faith in the abductee stories.


It's all in the approach; looking for information whereby we build a picture. Again, fuzzy logic is a catch phrase for a best guess based on lacking data, and it is stamped as such.
As far as abductees, I haven't spoken with them personally. I am depending on the data given by those who have, add my own personal experiences to the mix, and formulate a "best guess" hypothesis. There is nothing in my head that stamps this picture as FINAL.



You should impliment a thinking correction to the stories dismissed by your text book thinking. Everything has truth buried in it for the deep thinkers to extract. People donot interpret events in all the same way when the alien intrusion is conducted. The one thing is this, they have had an experience and the mind may or may not replay a similar event as others abducted report it. Perhaps you are biased to only certain stories you like, thus you put your stamp of approval to those stories and to heck with the others.



That would be illogical. The general picture, for the most part, doesn't go beyond the story itself - and that is a problem. There was a story within the last couple of days about a black UFO tossing a car 180 feet. Do I believe it? Based on a picture I have looked at that spans even just the last 350 years, it makes no sense, it does not follow the usual protocol. Since I am not there, nor can I prove it, it goes on a shelf. I just know that incident does not follow protocol.




The one thing I notice of your interest is this, you drop hints that you have had experience in the abduction experience yet you dismiss it when something is placed before you that goes against your limited experience with the comparative acceptable input of the continued events.



Unless it is more that someone's words, unless there is data to back it up or explain it, there's a problem. I know for a fact that mentally disturbed people have all kinds of stories, so how do you think I should categorize something that has no proof except someone's word that it happened?

People walk the streets each and every day, and they make contact with psychopaths. Psychopaths are the hardest kind of problem to identify because they have the "feeling rhetoric" down to a science. They manipulate people daily, only focused on what THEY want, and they don't care who they step on to get it. Psychopaths have no feelings, yet the unaware public never questions, and so, never sees.

People LIE in this field; they push their way in with a BS story and the unsuspecting, unquestioning public eats it hook line and sinker. No one questions anything, and so, we are in the mess we are in today.

Now I'm not saying you are one of these people, but the idea is, without solid proof, something more than words and a slick explanation delivered in word salad that uses terms like quantum this or that, how would I know for sure?

Everything that is can be broken down to a least common denominator for explanation sake. I expect this from everyone, or we get nowhere.




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PostSubject: Re: Its something like this   Wed Apr 21, 2010 7:30 pm

My apologies onlychild, I detect I have disturbed your thinking. By the way, are you writing a book ?
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PostSubject: Re: Its something like this   Wed Apr 21, 2010 8:15 pm

Gigas wrote:
My apologies onlychild, I detect I have disturbed your thinking. By the way, are you writing a book ?

You haven't disturbed anything, and yes.
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