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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:26 am

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No disrespect intended, but I don't believe in channeling. There must be some other explanation, or cause and effect here.

How can you say for certain that it all comes from who you say it does, geez.

How can you say it doesn't? The saw cuts both ways.

Somebody, I can't remember who (Crowley?) said that spirits are notorious liars. So, just like science (steeped in subjectivity) it can't be completely trusted. You just have to take it for what it is and leave behind what doesn't suit you.

But just remember, the beliefs you choose, either through your personal belief or those acquired through your culture, are not a measure of truth, but only a measure of belief.

The truth, whatever that may be, is another thing altogether. albino
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Fri Apr 30, 2010 12:03 pm

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John Hughes wrote:
No disrespect intended, but I don't believe in channeling. There must be some other explanation, or cause and effect here.

How can you say for certain that it all comes from who you say it does, geez.

How can you say it doesn't? The saw cuts both ways.

Somebody, I can't remember who (Crowley?) said that spirits are notorious liars. So, just like science (steeped in subjectivity) it can't be completely trusted. You just have to take it for what it is and leave behind what doesn't suit you.

But just remember, the beliefs you choose, either through your personal belief or those acquired through your culture, are not a measure of truth, but only a measure of belief.

The truth, whatever that may be, is another thing altogether. albino

Not trying to start an agrument, as I'm the new guy here, ha ha, but if it was true, we'd all be doing it, right. You can believe in this fringe stuff if you like, no skin off my nose. I just think is nonsensical mumbo jumbo bring out ther Weegie Board stuff, but that's me. I don't mean to condemn this guy but geez. What happened to good old common sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Fri Apr 30, 2010 1:37 pm

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Mike Good wrote:
John Hughes wrote:
No disrespect intended, but I don't believe in channeling. There must be some other explanation, or cause and effect here.

How can you say for certain that it all comes from who you say it does, geez.

How can you say it doesn't? The saw cuts both ways.

Somebody, I can't remember who (Crowley?) said that spirits are notorious liars. So, just like science (steeped in subjectivity) it can't be completely trusted. You just have to take it for what it is and leave behind what doesn't suit you.

But just remember, the beliefs you choose, either through your personal belief or those acquired through your culture, are not a measure of truth, but only a measure of belief.

The truth, whatever that may be, is another thing altogether. albino

Not trying to start an agrument, as I'm the new guy here, ha ha, but if it was true, we'd all be doing it, right. You can believe in this fringe stuff if you like, no skin off my nose. I just think is nonsensical mumbo jumbo bring out ther Weegie Board stuff, but that's me. I don't mean to condemn this guy but geez. What happened to good old common sense.

Sorry John,

I was not trying to start an argument either. Besides, if you look at what I said, I said that "spirits are notorious liars". That actually supports your above stated point of view. That is the nature of dialog.

No anger or malice is involved, I am just offering alternative ideas. Like I said before, "common sense" is not the final arbiter of what is true or what is not. It is just a popular trend in thought.

Those trends are subjective and have no monopoly on truth, whatever that may be. Keeping an open mind means entertaining many different ideas, even ones that you are not comfortable with.

In fact, I would say that open mindedness DEMANDS entertaining ideas that you are not comfortable with. The universe is a big weird place. How do any of us know what is truly possible out there? It is always a good idea to keep those infinite possibilities in mind.

And yeah, that is just my subjective belief..... Suspect

Cheers!! What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:42 pm

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Sorry John,

I was not trying to start an argument either. Besides, if you look at what I said, I said that "spirits are notorious liars". That actually supports your above stated point of view. That is the nature of dialog.

No anger or malice is involved, I am just offering alternative ideas. Like I said before, "common sense" is not the final arbiter of what is true or what is not. It is just a popular trend in thought.

Those trends are subjective and have no monopoly on truth, whatever that may be. Keeping an open mind means entertaining many different ideas, even ones that you are not comfortable with.

In fact, I would say that open mindedness DEMANDS entertaining ideas that you are not comfortable with. The universe is a big weird place. How do any of us know what is truly possible out there? It is always a good idea to keep those infinite possibilities in mind.

And yeah, that is just my subjective belief..... Suspect

Cheers!! What a Face

Mike

Mike, no need to apologize, it's all good, brother. Maybe I should lighten up, on my part. To be honest, I don't understand why this alien/UFO topic brings out the crazies. I spent a good week reading a lot of posts here before my first post and I'm at a total loss, to be honest. I think Bill is doing great work, and I thought this forum would follow along those lines, but it seems like this is one big bus load of, well, maybe I should stop right there.

There is something going on here regarding UFO’s that seems like it needs more people like Bill and his crew, but I don't see the same caliber or focused intent of people doing the posting. Geez, I don't think I am an elitist, but where are all of the normal people who are simply looking for answers. All I see are channeling babble types and image rich crazy photos of hell’s junk yard and such spouting their own brand of crazy.

I guess I thought this might be a more professional less wack ball crowd here, or something. Maybe it’s me, I could be expecting something that is not that practical in this UFO field, I don't know.

Sorry for the rant.
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Sat May 01, 2010 11:15 am

John Hughes wrote:

There is something going on here regarding UFO’s that seems like it needs more people like Bill and his crew, but I don't see the same caliber or focused intent of people doing the posting.


Hi, I must be the Hell's junk yard image person lol. There is a rule of thumb that simply states: You cannot find something when you have no idea what it is you are looking for. And since this all began back in the early '40s (the Battle of LA - my time-line start) people have done NOTHING but look at the "things" that are in front of their faces. What has that approach done to educate? Nothing really as we continue to look at the same picture.

What exactly has Bill done for this subject? Do we "know" today thanks to Bill? Seems not as the same circular pattern of rhetoric continues as it has all along. Look! Up in the sky; it's a bird; it's a plane; IT'S A UFO! Is it ours? Is it theirs? Is it a projected hologram? I'm going to film this and put it on YouTube where people can claim it's a CGI creation.



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Geez, I don't think I am an elitist, but where are all of the normal people who are simply looking for answers. All I see are channeling babble types and image rich crazy photos of hell’s junk yard and such spouting their own brand of crazy.

In order for you to make that statement you need a solid counter argument to anything said: got one? Here's a "crazy statement" that you can ponder: People claim there is a Graal cup. They search everywhere for it except the place where it is. The Graal cup is not on the earth, hence it has never been found - it's IN THE SKY. Find the cup and you have found the "secret" alluded to by the Mysteries. But wait - do you know what you have found? No. Why? You can't find something when you have no idea what you are looking for.

What I am trying to communicate to you is that the circular pattern of rhetoric people are stuck in, is equivalent to a labyrinth. It's always the same stories over, and over, and over. This is why we haven't gotten anywhere in all these decades; we keep going around in the same circle which has proven to be a worthless approach.


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I guess I thought this might be a more professional less wack ball crowd here, or something. Maybe it’s me, I could be expecting something that is not that practical in this UFO field, I don't know.
Sorry for the rant.

People have a tendency to throw the baby out with the bath water. Why? Only one explanation ... they don't see the baby.

The problem here is simple:
1) People want answers.
2) People don't know how to find said answers.
3) People depend on others to find said answers - BUT ...
4) those answers had better align with the small pile of beliefs I DO have, or else - PFFT - they're worthless.

Sorry for the counter-rant LOL.
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Tue May 18, 2010 6:14 pm

Pondered your post for a while Onlychild and it occured to me .

Onlychild said .

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4) those answers had better align with the small pile of beliefs I DO have, or else - PFFT - they're worthless.


Theres your problem right there !


To find what you are seeking you must stop clinging to your beliefs . After all , they are just that !


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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Tue May 18, 2010 7:50 pm

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Pondered your post for a while Onlychild and it occured to me .

Onlychild said .

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4) those answers had better align with the small pile of beliefs I DO have, or else - PFFT - they're worthless.


Theres your problem right there !


To find what you are seeking you must stop clinging to your beliefs . After all , they are just that !


With respect FW . Very Happy


As long as "beliefs" are constructed from data, you can see at any time where an error or problem is, remove it if necessary, and just reconfigure the pile of information that is left without it.

The best example is religion. Religion A looks at religion B and vise versa; both say the other is wrong. How would you figure out which, if either, is right? Data (and a lot of it LOL). They both just believe they are right, even though the doctrines oppose each other. That cannot be, yet they cannot see it.
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Thu May 27, 2010 4:23 pm

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As long as "beliefs" are constructed from data, you can see at any time where an error or problem is, remove it if necessary, and just reconfigure the pile of information that is left without it.

The best example is religion. Religion A looks at religion B and vise versa; both say the other is wrong. How would you figure out which, if either, is right? Data (and a lot of it LOL). They both just believe they are right, even though the doctrines oppose each other. That cannot be, yet they cannot see it.


Yes , but what if you are missing the most significant piece of data . The data that
takes you beyond belief and to a position of knowing ? We could then take the perspective of " oh , maybe there is another piece of data that i haven't found yet
and perhaps that will make everything i thought i knew , wrong !
Where does it end ?

I have always maintained that the point of your life is what you make it .

I have no need to search through miles and miles of historical data . History is written by the victor , as they say , and therefore inherently unreliable .


Cheers FW .
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Sat May 29, 2010 12:08 am

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As long as "beliefs" are constructed from data, you can see at any time where an error or problem is, remove it if necessary, and just reconfigure the pile of information that is left without it.

The best example is religion. Religion A looks at religion B and vise versa; both say the other is wrong. How would you figure out which, if either, is right? Data (and a lot of it LOL). They both just believe they are right, even though the doctrines oppose each other. That cannot be, yet they cannot see it.


Yes , but what if you are missing the most significant piece of data . The data that
takes you beyond belief and to a position of knowing ? We could then take the perspective of " oh , maybe there is another piece of data that i haven't found yet
and perhaps that will make everything i thought i knew , wrong !
Where does it end ?

I have always maintained that the point of your life is what you make it .

I have no need to search through miles and miles of historical data . History is written by the victor , as they say , and therefore inherently unreliable .


Cheers FW .

This is why they call it RE-search; you search, then search again as many times as is necessary. There is always more under a rock somewhere. I have found things at times that made me remove sections that were now wrong; it was a matter of simply reformatting what was left.
The things I have looked at are pieces left over from a rewriting of history. It's sort of like scanning the ground for pieces. Not everyone is cut out for it I guess, but I enjoyed every minute.
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Sun May 30, 2010 5:09 pm

Thanks for responding by way of the written word Onlychild .
Half expected a video link in response in leu of whats been going on here lately !

FW . Very Happy
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Sun May 30, 2010 11:18 pm

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Thanks for responding by way of the written word Onlychild .
Half expected a video link in response in leu of whats been going on here lately !

FW . Very Happy
It's kinda like - you either have something to say, or, you have something that someone else once said on a video. I believe the problem is that the books generation (before the internet) is dead.
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 4:57 pm

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Thanks for responding by way of the written word Onlychild .
Half expected a video link in response in leu of whats been going on here lately !

FW . Very Happy

cheers

Whaaaat!, you no likey video posts absent of stimulating opinion inserted to why such a thing is brought before your mind. Me knows nothing why with no likey either, but me has now learned how to bump meself up to top poster position. Spam it be called.

As in other forums before this, the governor would send fatal warning to stop such practice. Post a video, post your thoughts so it not be spam.

Ok, I now return you to the world as you likey.


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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 6:43 pm

Hehe , You weren't Black beard in a former life were you Gigas ?

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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 6:46 pm

Gigas,

I have not been spamming anything, only two weeks ago I had to ask another member what spam was? This is my first forum.

I have had two members contact me via pm who have said I was doing a good job!

I have been posting video for those who have not seen them, I have posted them in my own topics so as not to tread on anyones toes.

I have had a home computer for the last 4 years, yes, i've put 4 years of video's on the site + my own experience, all done with the truest of intentions. I'm sorry you two can't see that.

As for the quickest way to become top poster I presume you are on about 'Anything Funy' and 'Sci Fi Clips'. I'm sorry your view of the world is so narrow. Not everything needs to be serious all of the time, how about some fun every now and again.

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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:00 pm

Dude , i think it's just that this is a forum . And on forums people like to debate . It is great that you have collated all these vids and a goldmine for the newcomer . But most of the people on here i understand , are way beyond this point .

Saying it as i see it .


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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:07 pm

The Newbies are the future!! I\'ve got three myself!!

This was the first place I looked at for forums about three weeks ago - others will come here first to!

If I had my way the computer for UFO Magazine would be the size of a car - we could put every case in history on it!!

I\'m just trying to add to the archive - it wasn\'t here before i joined!!??
You and I may be past this point of research but there are many Newbies who are not! Just trying to save them all alot of typing!!!

Kind regards, Mac 5.


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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:18 pm

Ok . Define future .

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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:21 pm

Was editing - please see above!
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:23 pm

Seriously , no hard feeling Mac5 . I also have children . Just trying to understand your veiwpoint .

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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:32 pm

I agree, no hard feelings - Maybe now we understand one another things can get back to normal.

The oiginal idea behind the adverts and films was to prove how much this subject is in the public eye, but - without the public paying attention to it - sort of subliminal programing to accept the subject?

I did wan't both to continue running before performing a poll!!

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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:41 pm

Thanks Mac5 . Your enthusiasm i think , was perhaps misinterpreted .

Yea , and i am still sorry about the PM thing !


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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:43 pm

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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 7:44 pm

Peace . sunny


FW . Kids are cool !


Have a fun half term matey .
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Mon May 31, 2010 11:41 pm

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Gigas,

I have not been spamming anything, only two weeks ago I had to ask another member what spam was? This is my first forum.

I have had two members contact me via pm who have said I was doing a good job!

I have been posting video for those who have not seen them, I have posted them in my own topics so as not to tread on anyones toes.

I have had a home computer for the last 4 years, yes, i've put 4 years of video's on the site + my own experience, all done with the truest of intentions. I'm sorry you two can't see that.

As for the quickest way to become top poster I presume you are on about 'Anything Funy' and 'Sci Fi Clips'. I'm sorry your view of the world is so narrow. Not everything needs to be serious all of the time, how about some fun every now and again.

Kind regards, Mac 5.

My dear fellow, spam is posting image/video/link things without an opinion or word or two of ones thoughts of that which is posted. Didn't I read here somewhere you refereed to yourself as an investigator and you didn't like hoax videos and such. Posting a video with no thought for the viewer to interpret your reason for the posted video leaves me, I dunno bout others, to think you were scamming the system for a top post position. Ya know, those multi part series vids you had to post as a new post for each vid. I suggest you look into yourself for the narrowness and slim down the videos to real investigatory chatter from your mind so we know whats going on over there.

Have nice day or night in ufo land Mac 5.

Gigas, destroyer of minds. I do it as a free service to my fellow man, vril, space brothers and anyone else who hacks the light fantastic..........
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PostSubject: Re: Preparing for the End Times   Tue Jun 01, 2010 7:16 am

Gigas,

Think what you like. I have no intention of going around in circles with you. I have explained twice! I only reached the top posters board because I had 4 years of material to archive on the site.

I havn't told you what to do, or what not to do; maybe you wan't to try minding your own business; Instead of throwing your toys out of your pram because you don't like what you see.

It seems to me that the main thing bothering you, is that I am on the top posters list?

I scan the papers on line most days - when there has been anything I have brought it to the forum for proper discussion. At the moment I am not a member of any ufo research group, and as such do not have to tow the party line, or yours.

Under which sense of self importance did you promote yourself to site Administrator anyway?

The video's are self explanatory, so are the topic headings. If you don't like them, don't watch them. You're just trying to be a wind up merchant and I find your accusations to be highly insulting.

I believe a picture can say a thousand words, you on the other hand do say a thousand words - but end up saying nothing.

So tell us all Gigas, you've done alot of talking about others and done a good job of being sarcastic, insulting, playing on stereotypes and generaly putting people down; but said very little about your story - will you ever? Or will you just keep up the cryptic speeches and little tests?


I will do as I wish untill told otherwise by the people who run the site.

Have a nice day 'in your mind'

Kind regards, Mac 5.
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