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PostSubject: Why abduct Abductees?   Thu Mar 19, 2009 2:37 pm

From my perspective, our Keepers (a term that I prefer), or abductors, as others prefer to call them, have in the process of abduction, genetically altered ‘all’ Contactees to better facilitate the integration of enlightenment into our system; our biological, genetically-based, system.

Why would they genetically alter Contactees?

In order for Contactees to receive a more densely packed stream of information, which enlightenment is, it takes the altering of our genetic receptors. A better way to think of this may be to think of a phone line modem hook-up which interfaces with a home computer, as opposed to a DSL (digital) line interface. One is not compatible with the other, and in our case, the energy stream that we, as genetically altered Contactees, are expected to receive, is both more densely packed and set at a higher frequency rate. In short, we are then able, after having been genetically altered, to receive the higher rate of enlightenment (information which is frequency-based), that has ‘always’ been present, always been available to those souls able to receive.

Information (which enlightenment is) can be housed within a frequency.

Simply think of a TV set (prior to cable, perhaps) that could only receive one channel at a time, but many channels were being broadcast (through the airwaves) at the same time – it took the changing of the channel selector to receive the other channels. So then, our receptors, our frequency receivers, have been altered to receive a new channel - a channel of enlightenment set at both a higher rate of information transfer, as well as a higher frequency of operation. It’s a frequency that has always been present, for those so able to receive.

It's always been about genetics - alter our genetic structure, and it changes everything about us.

If you are an Contactee, and have yet to realize that you have been genetically altered, you will. The reception and station playing on your TV set is about to change drastically.

There is no understanding of these matters that comes from the trying (one does not understand these matters by trying to understand them by way of the intellect) – rather it is programmed into each one of us. Each one of us that has been so programmed by our keepers, abductors, grays or helpers, depending on what one might choose to call them.

The hard part has already been accomplished for us – we have all been programmed to understand – now, from this point forward, we only need to do the remembering.

It is with ease that we may now grasp these concepts – for the difficult part is behind us – our fear has been overcome, we have walked through our most desperate moments at the hands of our abductors.

Ahead lies our ease - having already faced our deepest, darkest fears.

The fear that each one of has faced, at the hands of our abductors, was purposeful - we were meant to travel through our fears at their hands - and so it was that each of us has faced our fears, with our salvation bearing fruit in the overcoming of our fear.

When the scriptures spoke of Satan, it was meant as an outward characterization of our inward fears - so in the overcoming of Satan, the one called Christ, overcame his inner fears.

There is only one singular purpose - the rectifying of the Self, in all of its facets, in all of its guises

Part and parcel of the abduction experience is that of being genetically altered by our abductors, keepers and such. To be an abductee, is to be a genetically altered human being. Depending upon your frame of reference, this may or may not be a good thing. To say that abductees, as a result of their being genetically altered, are superior or inferior as a direct result of this genetic tampering, is really to lose sight of the fact that not all things can be so easily classified, so easily pigeonholed or categorized into either or.

We have been genetically altered for a reason, for a purpose. To deny this, is to deny our abduction experience altogether – we have not been abducted but for a specific purpose, a specific set of objectives by our abductors – the fact that we are unaware of these objectives for the most part is irrelevant. These objectives exist, nonetheless.

Switching gears for a moment, each one of us has come to the realization of our being abductees in any one of countless ways – no two abductees have identical experiences, which is not to say that there aren’t countless similarities among each of our abduction experiences.

There is a high degree of personalization among our experiences, with fear being a central issue to most of us.

The point to all of this is that we are programmed all, but all are not programmed identically – we are genetically altered all, but not all are genetically altered identically.

There are similarities, a master plan that is followed, if you will, but there are many variations among Contactees.

There again, this is simply one perspective on the matter.

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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:01 pm

Abductees, Contactees, or whatever one might choose to call us, have got to be, without a doubt, one of the most misunderstood factions within society.

We have been disregarded, ridiculed, exploited and censured – all of this, taking place as we ourselves struggle to determine our own identity, one that encompasses all of our extraordinary and varied experiences. It’s rather like coming to terms with your surroundings, as these surroundings are constantly being changed, constantly held in flux relative to who and where we are – in short, we are asked to understand what has and is continually happening to us as we exist on this untenable ground, never knowing with any degree of certainty, what might be next for us, what might lie around the next corner, the next nights’ incident. We exist as nomads, wandering through our own lives as it were, without the luxury of any apparent normalcy that most others take for granted.

But for us, those of us known of as Abductees, Contactees, Experiencers or whatever one might choose to call us, this is our normalcy, our existence, whether we choose to accept it or not.

We have been burned, subconsciously etched by our experiences, constantly reminded of our plight with each new occurrence, with each new episode encountered. Add to the fact that each of us is at a different point in the cycle of the Contactee experience, a different point in the realization and integration of our experiences, and you come to realize that no two of us are in the same orbit as it were – we are constantly evolving in the experiencing of our individual experience, and that experience, of course, being peculiar to each one of us.

I have a lot of compassion for Contactees, like us.

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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:56 pm

Jocariah wrote:
"... we are asked to understand what has and is continually happening to us as we exist on this untenable ground, never knowing with any degree of certainty....."

Jocariah,

I do not think I can agree with your statements in this thread here. I think your above quote is a better assessment of what we can assume about the odd relationship we have with the green guys, fairies, aliens, abductors, whatever you wish to call them.

Where are you getting your above ideas from?

I have seen in several places where the aliens suggest that the reason for their interest in our genetic "stuff" is to create hybrids which can function in their reality (which I suspect is not material) and ours (which of course, is material). Here is a typical statement from an abductee which I have borrowed from another site:

"It is not even clear if they are EBEs (actual biological animals from our level of reality). Yes they are physical as are their vehicles but both show ability to dissapear out of our reality in ways that suggest they are extra-dimensional beings rather than from Orion.

For what its worth, when I asked about what they were doing here they showed me mental images (they don't talk) of 1) concern over our rain forests and also of the species there, being lost genetically to the world. 2) they showed me that they had a long-term project to create hybrid semi-human beings that could 'exist in our world and theirs too'. They also told me what I was being use for and it related to the above.

I don't know if these hybrids are for their benefit or ours. You could argue that they are at the end of their genetic line and need new genetic stuff, or you could argue that they see what is about to happen to the human race and that they are trying to create a new human type that will survive the coming changes. [This second idea is one I feel is the truth and it came to me after my encounters]."


If you read Jacques Vallee or Graham Hancock's book "Supernatural", you will see that liminal beings have been doing this monkeying around with humanity for a very long time. "Aliens" are only the latest cultural mutation of a historical mythological relationship with such beings.

But, as for understanding the role genetics and environment (cultural programming or shaping of the mindset) play in the physical and mental shaping of our minds, I would suggest two books, "The Biology of Transcendence", by Joseph Chilton Pearce, and "The Biology of Belief" by Bruce Lipton. Both of these books take a more holistic look at the dynamics you are discussing here. Genetics are only a small part of the equation- the environmental modeling and cultural programming play an equal part here - and effect the mind physically and genetically, not just mentally.

In Chilton's book, he points out that we are already perfectly well equipped for the "enlightenment" you tout here. There is no modification necessary to our physical form to make this happen. But there definitely is a need for society to take a more conscious approach to child rearing and acculturation for the higher functioning of the mind to be fully enabled.

I am not saying that what you imply here cannot be true. But I think a better understanding of the workings of our physical vehicles (our bodies, minds and mindsets) would go much farther in bringing about the kind of changes you propose here.

A little awareness goes a long way. With a LOT of awareness? The possibilities may well be infinite.....

That's my opinion anyway. What a Face

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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:57 pm

Hi Mike,

Thank you for taking time to post your remarks – it was an interesting read.

I think we may be talking about different sides of the same coin here. We know in part, and can speak only of that small part which we [individually] know, or have experienced for ourselves.

From my perspective, in this regard, there is no one or singular agenda in play here on their part, but many. Many facets of the whole exist, as it were. Each piece of the puzzle being unique unto itself, so that only by assembling the individual pieces, can the overall picture become clearer. And that takes the coming together of each of us, to accomplish.

We each hold a piece of the puzzle.

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PostSubject: response   Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:25 pm

From the many cases I have read about, most abductees would rather the experience never happen. Betty and Barney Hill are the case that I can think of, but there are several others out there too. I have heard some of the real tapes made by the Hills, and Barney was utterly terrified by the experience. I do wish the tapes would be released to the public, but Betty's niece has stated there is a lot of personal matters on the tapes, and will not release them out of the respect for the privacy of the Hills.

Some people may be chosen to be picked up, but I think it is completely random. And that is what is so terrifying about these incidents. It can happen to anyone.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:35 am

""Some people may be chosen to be picked up, but I think it is completely random. And that is what is so terrifying about these incidents. It can happen to anyone""


With regard to creatures of a higher intelligence, I don’t consider ‘random’ a strong probability.

Most abductees/contactees have a long history of interactions with alien/extraterrestrials.

As with any control group, subjects must be observed and monitored over a long period of time. You need to have a baseline with which to start, for all of the subjects involved.

What appears to enter into the mix here, complicating all of this, is that many times the conscious memories of these phenomena have been blocked or erased from the individual, altogether.

Also, the possibility exists that the mothers of contactees/abductees were artificially inseminated. This abduction phenomenon, which appears to have surfaced only recently within our own culture, may have actually been taking place throughout all of man's history.

We have been a shepherded species, and all of this taking place without our knowledge.

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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:32 pm

We abduct species here on Earth randomly to tag them. I do not see why that would be so strange for an alien species to do. They do not want us to know they are monitoring us, just like we want the species we are following to act normal in its habitat.

The aliens who have the technology to get from one end of the galaxy to the other quickly would be very highly advanced. They would be watching us out of curiosity, which is what we do with our lower species.


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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Tue May 26, 2009 10:10 am

kidflash2008 wrote:
We abduct species here on Earth randomly to tag them. I do not see why that would be so strange for an alien species to do. They do not want us to know they are monitoring us, just like we want the species we are following to act normal in its habitat.

I can understand that mindset, if youre going to perform some sort of xenoscience on a human, but it raises a question. Why do they abduct some people and contact others of their own free will? In their mindset, are some human beings to be regarded as animals- in the same manner we elevate our own status above, say, a shark?

I've said before in another thread that it is hubris to try to comprehend their motives, But I'm starting to think that they exist in a much more individual way. Some teams/crews have different agendas, and different ways of approaching them.

I'd be happy to help in their experiments (as long as its nothing completely harebrained), meet them and converse with them as an equal.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Tue May 26, 2009 4:26 pm

''I'd be happy to help in their experiments (as long as its nothing completely harebrained), meet them and converse with them as an equal.""

That's like a lab rat saying he'd like to meet with his scientists as equals (very funny) - these creatures of a higher order come and go as they please, do what they want, when they want and can block most (if not all) of the conscious memory of their interactions with us.

You can't converse with them because you can't keep up - they tell you what they want you to know, or give you the illusion of a conversation. They read your thoughts and communicate with each other without words.

They've been shepherding mankind's development, since our inception - they don't need anything from us they can't simply take.

It's our intellectual ceiling that keeps us from imagining just how much more advanced they are than us.

But that's okay, I guess, apes can't imagine our intellect either - and if we were ever to feel a little insecure about not being the alpha species here, we can always go to the zoo to sooth our fragile egos, and give the animals a condescending smirk... that should give us some solace.

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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:46 pm

Has anyone ever considered how many "abductions" are the result of a brain disorder or day residue reading or tv show dreams? I find it odd that I NEVER had a dream about ET until I began to read about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Thu Oct 15, 2009 7:26 pm

They are already here. It's just a matter of time before they reveal themselves, at their convenience and for their gain, not ours.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Thu Oct 15, 2009 11:05 pm

ALBERT wrote:
They are already here. It's just a matter of time before they reveal themselves, at their convenience and for their gain, not ours.
By then it might be too late. They are here for a reason - that reason is coming.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 4:15 pm

onlychild wrote:
Has anyone ever considered how many "abductions" are the result of a brain disorder or day residue reading or tv show dreams? I find it odd that I NEVER had a dream about ET until I began to read about it.

I get into disagreements with some members here as I agree with Kevin Randle that there needs to be better ways to figure out if brain disorders or some other problems aren't the cause of the experiences of some. I do not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but criteria needs to be looked at and decided on.

I also seem to have read that many of the good researchers are already tackling this problem to make sure they are dealing with real possible abductions, whether they are to a nuts and bolts craft, or to another dimension or "Otherworld".
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Fri Oct 16, 2009 9:53 pm

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onlychild wrote:
Has anyone ever considered how many "abductions" are the result of a brain disorder or day residue reading or tv show dreams? I find it odd that I NEVER had a dream about ET until I began to read about it.

I get into disagreements with some members here as I agree with Kevin Randle that there needs to be better ways to figure out if brain disorders or some other problems aren't the cause of the experiences of some. I do not want to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but criteria needs to be looked at and decided on.

I also seem to have read that many of the good researchers are already tackling this problem to make sure they are dealing with real possible abductions, whether they are to a nuts and bolts craft, or to another dimension or "Otherworld".
The manuscript I just finished deals with that idea; cognitive compromise. My approach is traumatic brain injury and all I can say is been there done that LOL. No one has ever attempted to link the UFO phenomena and TBI together before, and I have no idea if it will be accepted b a literary agent. All I can say is that everyone I have spoken too who hears voices has had a head rap.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 3:36 pm

Either it is "damage" causing the voices, or something has opened up for them to be able to contact some different dimension.

I hope you get your book published, onlychild. I would love to read it.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 5:04 pm

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Either it is "damage" causing the voices, or something has opened up for them to be able to contact some different dimension.

I hope you get your book published, onlychild. I would love to read it.

I have challenged the voice data and it failed epically. Regarding brain injury from a hit (and you really need to go to YouTube and put FACE PLANT in the search box LOL) it isn't as complicated as one would think. Traumatic Brain Injury is caused when the concussive force going through your head causes diffuse axonal injury / post concussion syndrome. Basically, the "wires" in your head get damaged or destroyed (very easily I might add). If you cut a communication wire, some part of your brain that sends data, it may repair itself in the form of a voice.

Damage is really easy to acquire and sometimes, years later, you start to have a new problem - like voices Smile
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:09 pm

Thank you for explaining that to me.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Sat Oct 17, 2009 6:29 pm

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Thank you for explaining that to me.

It's really hard for people to accept sometimes, especially in this field or some kind of spiritual field. I am not saying "things" can't come in this way, but there is no way to form a dividing line. It would be the data itself that has to be challenged before accepted. You should go through this page if it interests you:

http://www.ellenwhiteexposed.com/headinjury.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Sun Dec 06, 2009 9:18 am

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Either it is "damage" causing the voices, or something has opened up for them to be able to contact some different dimension.

I hope you get your book published, onlychild. I would love to read it.

I too would love to read it. I wanted to be a psychologist when I was in high school. It was all of that darned data to sift through that I was disheartened with doing that most likely changed my mind. That and seeing The Exorcist when it first came out.

One of the most amazing things that our brain does is provide thought in the form of voice. I love that I can hear my thoughts or at least recognize them that way. I too have taken my fair share of raps on the head but luckily for me I still can tell the difference between thought and messages.

I have read Intruders, and I have to say that I believe that it would be highly improbable for all of the subjects tested to come up with so many similar details. That's where all of that darned data pays off. I believe that what we are finding is, that these events are really happening to people and have been for a very long time. What scares me is the possibility that we will discover other dimensions that can be entered at will. It is just the infinite possibilities that might exist.
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PostSubject: Re: Why abduct Abductees?   Sun Dec 06, 2009 11:53 am

Well, for me, since a dividing line cannot be created between real and not real then anything that "comes in" has to be stopped at the border (so to speak) and examined with some kind of control rules. My rules are simple, and boil down to one idea: If nothing is learned via the experience, then it is put on a shelf until it can be (if ever) understood in some kind of a context. This means that if this data came from a real entity, they need to see that playing Kit Williams Masquerade isn't going to do it. Since they are allegedly MUCH smarter than we are, I would think they knew that already ... seems not?

Of course there could be other things going on here that range from "it's all in our (damaged from whatever source) heads" to some kind of test to see where we land after some catastrophic event takes out the planet. Who knows!? Certainly not me What a Face

What I suggest is what I did - it worked very well. CHALLENGE all odd-ball information. If it is from an outside source, show whomever how smart we really are. Don't just go with it as the chances are really very good that it is coming from our own background processing. Dreams are the best source of "information" that is "peculiar" and the best source of data compromise. You wind up creating a labyrinth of thoughts that you become lost in. If you like wandering around in a maze all your life, have at it. I for one like to know where I am going.
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This is all really very simple and I have taught myself what is going on here (I experienced all this - what a trip). All people need is a tiny bit of light shed on the subject and they will be fine. The key simply is: When you are born - THAT is YOU. Everything else that comes from that point on is nothing more than accumulated data - period. So YOU and your data filled brain grow up together, and if something happens to your brain, it simply means that your access to certain information may have been compromised. Picture yourself driving a car. YOU are not the CAR. Any problems with the car are mechanical problems that you may have to work around. Directional signal out? Use hand signals. We are not trying to understand the entire inner workings of the brain, we are trying to diagnose possible problems and possible problem reroutes that the brain has already taken.

If there is something we need to know, we had better trash the stuff we DON'T need to know and create a clean slate.


Regarding the manuscript, if anyone knows a literary agent who isn't afraid of "trying to find out what exactly the truth is," let me know. I have taken the last 55 years of my life APART and reassembled it - SOMETHING has been going on, and I want to know WHAT. Basketball
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