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PostSubject: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Fri Aug 14, 2009 10:33 am

I will admit I was excited to find out that Herr von Daniken was coming out with a new book. I had read his other titles over thirty years ago and was wondering what the author had to say about his theories. This book was a very enjoyable read that I stayed up all night long to finish.
Herr von Daniken begins by telling about the books that have been passed on to people that are written about in the Bible and other sources. He spends a great deal of time on the story of Enoch and adds in others to the mix. He does this while discussing the artifacts of Father Crespi, who was a missionary in South America. The stories on the Book of Enoch do seem to be from the advantage of someone taking a space flight for the very first time.
The best part of the book comes next in which Herr von Daniken addresses the critics and debunkers about his claims in the book "The Gold of the Gods" which was published in 1972. He does recount what happened and what he actually saw. It does seem like the debunkers trashed him for a few paragraphs that were not lies at all. One has to read the part to get the full story. I really like how Herr von Daniken does address this part of his past, and the story itself is quite fascinating. It is funny how many people in the media and the science community trash someone without getting all the facts. Proclamation by armchair as Stanton Friedman would state. It also seems that the cave of treasures is quite real, and that there is an even greater treasure trove of secrets to be found.
The book then is about the Mormons and Joseph Smith's encounter with the angel Moroni. The correlations between this story and the Book of Enoch are quite fascinating. Herr von Daniken does state the obvious in asking why a Great Spirit of All Creation would need to build transportation to send peoples across the Atlantic.
The final part is some fascinating new finds about the Nazca lines in Peru. There have been many measurements taken that show the area to have many anomalies. I don't want to give too much away from this book as I think many people will enjoy it.
If one is a fan of Erich von Daniken, this book is a must have. If one is not so much a fan, this book has a fascinating part in it about his past writing that should help clear things up. I am a fan of his now, and I have always thought we were visited in the past by extraterrestrials. I do not know what, if any, part they may have played in our development, but the idea is one that should be seriously looked into. The book is a great read and Herr von Daniken is back!

Goddess Bless,

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PostSubject: Re: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Fri Sep 04, 2009 2:58 pm

Hey thanks for that review!

I haven't followed his books so much, just seem him on a lot of programs. So much of all of this is sheer conjecture, I try not to be sucked in too far.

The Nazca lines in Peru could be man made, but that doesn't explain a perfectly flat plateau in the mountain range.

Truly, I believe that our world history has been both lost to antiquity, and covered up by those who would profit and hold on to control.
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PostSubject: Re: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Fri Sep 04, 2009 6:04 pm

I do agree that most, if not all, of the monuments are made by humans. It is the technology that was required for some of them that is open to debate. I think it has to do with both a former great civilization that could have had contact with extraterrestrials. When they were all but wiped out because of a cataclysmic event over 12,000 years ago, the extraterrestrials came back to try and reboot our civilization.

If anything, get Herr von Daniken's latest book as he does tell of the treatment of him and what he supposedly did back in the early 1970s.
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PostSubject: Re: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Fri Sep 04, 2009 11:47 pm

I too believe there was a civilization beyond 10k - 12k years responsible for building a lot of infrastructure and the similarities in the pieces unearthed in these ancient places is too remarkable to ignore.

The sphinx and it's alignment with a galaxy formation that mirrors the sphinx \ pyramid \ river topography as would have been seen on the ground 12k ago is also too striking to be coincidence.

Whomever had a global footprint and whatever happened to the builders may never be known, that's a w h o l e lotta history to reverse engineer.

I'm not sure if aliens tried to reboot our civilization not not, it appears we went through the mother of all dark ages (6-10k) and then leapt forward in progress in spurts. The same with ages of enlightenment. This could have to do with the natural re population of the globe. It could have to do with digging up a past that was greater then what we were at the time and filling the shoes. From the types of visitations we have recorded, perhaps even Enoch and Elijah, it sounds to me like someone is keeping tabs on progress.

And by saying I'm not sure, it doesn't mean I disagree, I'm just not persuaded.


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PostSubject: Re: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Sat Sep 05, 2009 3:12 pm

The Egyptian society was very high in technology and then we started to go downhill again. Even Rome and the Greeks were not as technologically capable as the ancient Egyptians.

We really lost a lot of information during the Dark Ages. That is one of my biggest questions: Why did we move backwards?

The reboot theory does seem to work when we consider that they did move backwards if they only memorized what was taught to them and did not improve on it.

I find all these books and ideas fascinating. I think every theory should be looked at seriously, as we really do not know what happened. Many of the older civilizations cannibalized items and materials from the cities, so we cannot really date them effectively. Stone (and later) metal would be reused for other buildings. The peoples would go to ruins and use what they needed as they did not have a sense of history or archeology.

I also was chastised at another site when I questioned why the ancient Americans had toy wheels, but did not use the wheel for transporting themselves (along with crops and materials). I was told that archeologists and investigators of history never ask questions like that as it leads to speculation. I was flabbergast, as I am always asking questions like that. Maybe that is what is wrong with mainstream archeology is they do not ask questions like the above.
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PostSubject: Re: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Sat Sep 05, 2009 6:56 pm

Those are good questions to ask, and I think we have to tax the resources of social anthropology and archeology if we are going to make any progress unearthing the answers, pun intended.

Also, when I say dark ages, I really mean from 6,000 back to 10,000 years, not the 900ad period.
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PostSubject: Re: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Sun Sep 06, 2009 2:50 am

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Those are good questions to ask, and I think we have to tax the resources of social anthropology and archeology if we are going to make any progress unearthing the answers, pun intended.

Also, when I say dark ages, I really mean from 6,000 back to 10,000 years, not the 900ad period.

Those are not dark ages so much as lost ages. We have no concept of humanity before Sumeria at 5000 years ago. Before that we have vague concepts of "cavemen" and hunter gatherers.

So, what inspired the sudden flowering of civilization? If you ask the anthropologists and archaeologists the answer is nada: It just happened, suddenly, for no apparent reason. Of course, the Sumerians had definite ideas about what inspired their civilization. The problem is that the people who should really know about these things are unwilling to accept the answers provided by the civilizations themselves.

This is the very same problem that the UFO itself runs up against: denial. The real trouble is arrogance and assumption. The supposed "enlightenment" which we celebrate as the "great flowering" of human thought was, in many ways a retrogression. Large amounts of ancient knowledge that had been handed down for eons was summarily written off as "superstition". We replaced many deeper understandings of the nature of reality with an antiseptic materialism which completely dismissed ideas of a deeper reality beyond the material world.

And along with that came the assumption that the ancients just were not as "smart" as us "enlightened" types.

Quantum physics have now shown that to have been little more than hubris. But science and the collective consciousness have not yet caught up with these ideas because they fly in the face of the new "rational materialist" religion. The truth is, we need another "enlightenment" to wrest human thought from the confining straitjacket of materialism - just as it needed to be released from the strangling clutches of religion.

And we need to stop arrogantly believing that our present knowledge is the ultimate pinnacle of human thought and that "old" is synonymous with stupidity and ignorance. In other words, we need a heavy dose of humility.

I like Von Daniken. But I also think that he has suffered from that same kind of arrogance. He certainly has uncovered a lot of very compelling evidence. But he has also fallen victim to believing too much in his own ideas. His work has been diluted by a too easy credulity which often has him grasping at qualitative straws in order to further his theories. He has come up with enough solid evidence to make such desperation unnecessary. His work would be even more compelling if he was not so quick to elevate ambiguous evidence to the status of "smoking guns".

But I think he is more right than wrong in most respects. He would have done himself more justice if he stuck to the more solid evidence he uncovered. There is true gold in the realm of forbidden archaeology. More people should listen to the Micheal Cremos and von Danikens of this world.

Intellectual arrogance is just ignorance by another name.
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PostSubject: Re: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Sun Sep 06, 2009 4:55 pm

Mike, I do agree with you that we tend to dismiss the ancients as superstitious and not being as smart as we are. I do think they had much more knowledge than we do and were much more spiritually aware. That is why I accept both theories that there was a much older civilization that made contact with extraterrestrials.

I also want to state that Herr von Daniken also deals with those supposed claims that some state he made in the book. He admits to it when he was wrong, but gives his side to the story. We have only been given one side, and that is not fair to judge him on that.
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PostSubject: Re: History is Wrong by Erich von Daniken   Sun Sep 06, 2009 8:29 pm

kidflash2008 wrote:
We have only been given one side, and that is not fair to judge him on that.

Thanks Lloyd,

My comments on von Danniken are strictly my own. I have read some of his books and came to my own conclusions about him. I do not really care what the "conventional wisdom" was or is on him since I consider that term an oxymoron.

Cheers!!

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