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PostSubject: My take on the MJ-12 Papers   Wed Jul 22, 2009 4:46 pm

I have given the MJ-12 documents and related materials a good deal of thought. I have come to the conclusion that they are fakes made on the inside and released to be found out. The mistakes are small and not noticeable to most people who have read them. They range from dating, military rank titles and other types. Add in a few questionable word terms that may not have been in vogue then, and many skeptics would call them fake.

The problem is, according to journalist Howard Blum in his book "Out There" the FBI could not tell if they were fake. Someone went through a lot of trouble to fake them.

My point is they were faked in case any real documents were ever leaked. That way, the skeptics and debunkers would never take them seriously, as they have already debunked the MJ-12 papers. Some true documents could already have been leaked out, and are labeled as fakes by the debunkers. It is a very well thought out plan, and would have needed an insider with incredible amounts of information about the older military ways. They would also have known where to put in the errors so they would be noticed, yet not big enough for someone to catch immediately.

The names are possibly correct, and that is what they meant to do. What they did not realize was Mr Stanton Friedman finding out that Dr Donald Menzel worked for some Top Secret Security agencies in his past.

This is one subject that will not go away because of how well the documents were made. It takes a lot of skill and time to do what was done. I do believe this is one of the best examples of disinformation out there.

Goddess Bless,

Lloyd sunny


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PostSubject: Re: My take on the MJ-12 Papers   Wed Jul 22, 2009 5:22 pm

Well put kidflash2008, you sure you don't have an intel background? Very Happy I kid. I too have some difficulties with the "papers" and can neither vouch for nor against their specific authenticity. Wink. NZ post marked as if reaching out from a grave. Payback is a... 'like a headache from ingesting too much "Frosty" too quickly. Very Happy "Cancelled" things can be rather upsetting even to those once "inside" the "outside".

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PostSubject: Re: My take on the MJ-12 Papers   Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:28 pm

I agree with fixer, Lloyd, you're spot on.

One, UFOs, an "other" by any definition that you care to use, simply are. Two, elected and UNelected government would certainly constitute a panel so as to provide this "other" with some kind of regard — you don't just ignore something like this. Three, it would eventually be found out, so to provide this black ops with a reasonable deniability you release authentic looking, but dismissively errant chaff with the wheat leaking out, eh? Hidden in plain sight. The Bastards. They'd argue it was in our best interests. Feh. They long ago abdicated their authority to operate beyond bounds when they have so unceasingly betrayed the public trust doing just that. "...in our interest!"


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PostSubject: Re: My take on the MJ-12 Papers   Wed Jul 22, 2009 6:42 pm

Boo! Very Happy Knock-knock. Who-dat? You-dat.

But to have players on every side... 360/365. One ping and one ping only. Chilly at times. Sig-sigue sputnik. Ever watch the final scene set in Boliva to Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid? How many do you think are...

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One ring and one ring only. Handset LCD: 000-000-0000 No name. Raise handset to ear, "Hello?" A female synthethisized voice."N-S-A". Pause, then in the same "voice" but a different tone,"System detected". Dead-air, no d-tone. July 19th about 15:00 Eastern. Smiles.
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PostSubject: Re: My take on the MJ-12 Papers   Thu Jul 23, 2009 1:13 pm

Hhhhhmm, Alfred, interesting to see you here adding your yeps and uh-huhs.

So many out in the UFO community have accepted MJ-12 as some sort of gospel truth. As for me, I was not so sure. No Friedman gray basket here. Looking back at them some twenty years on, they seem as bogus as a three dollar bill.

Disinformation? Sure. There was plenty of that going around in the late '80s. Lies were a dime a dozen and the UFO community was splashing in a sea of them like kiddies in a wading pool.

But I guess what gets under my craw is the way so many buy into these old stale stories and treat them uncritically like some unquestioned religious dogma.

If Roswell happened, then a group like MJ-12 would have been convened, no doubt about it. But as we all know, the best place to hide the truth is in the midst of a big steaming pile of mendacious fecal matter. That creates a truly egalitarian taint, applying an unvaryingly even stink to both the truth and the apocryphal.

And that is why a good pair of hip-waders is essential for the study of the UFO. The crap is both deep and wide.....
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PostSubject: Re: My take on the MJ-12 Papers   Thu Jul 23, 2009 4:06 pm

Mike, my main idea is that the documents were so well forged, but the errors were put in them for the skeptics to find. Kevin Randle has interviewed top ranking officials and found out the people assigned to such projects were called the "Unholy 13".

Stanton Friedman has yet to state the documents are real. He has not dismissed them either.

If any real documents ever get released or leaked out, they will be quickly dismissed. The intelligence agency or group responsible for the documents did a spot on job.

Thank you all for your responses!

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PostSubject: late reply   Sun Aug 23, 2009 12:04 am

Sorry for the Late reply, I'm just getting wound up here at the Forum! Interesting discussion, I have a small background in US Army documents, and having looked at many of these docs, I agree that mostly they appear to be fakes.
There are inconsistencies with regard to the SOMs allegedly from 1954.
But the back and forth makes for a harrowing read, maybe the Pratt documents are just great imagination. Seems like little bits of real facts, got released and eventually mish mashed together, till they are obscured. that there are suicides involved or intimated and that they were allegedly MJ-12 members, only serves to lend something to the read. The thousands of hoaxes (some absurd) that came later are just a creative variation on the theme? Those original compartmentized docs would have been totally accounted for. Every single page. That was my first thought on reading the Majestic 12 Documents. But like everything else, it is cool to imagine, what if.
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PostSubject: Re: My take on the MJ-12 Papers   Sun Aug 23, 2009 5:07 pm

This is an update to my original opinion:

The book by Major Donald Keyhoe "The Flying Saucers Are Real" does use the term satellite in it. It was originally published in 1950, so that does prove the word satellite was used prior to Sputnik (1957). That was one argument used to debunk one or more of the papers, and that is another find.

I do think the government did get extraterrestrial craft or probes from several areas in the past, namely Roswell and Kecksburg PA. I also believe they have used everything in their means to throw the public off on such finds. Their still is a possibility of some of the population going into panic (just look at the mobs who are scared of the death panels in the health care debate). The government is also greedy and does not want to share any technology or possible technology that can be gleaned from such objects.
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PostSubject: Re: My take on the MJ-12 Papers   Sun May 02, 2010 6:16 pm

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I have given the MJ-12 documents and related materials a good deal of thought. I have come to the conclusion that they are fakes made on the inside and released to be found out. The mistakes are small and not noticeable to most people who have read them. They range from dating, military rank titles and other types. Add in a few questionable word terms that may not have been in vogue then, and many skeptics would call them fake.

The problem is, according to journalist Howard Blum in his book "Out There" the FBI could not tell if they were fake. Someone went through a lot of trouble to fake them.

My point is they were faked in case any real documents were ever leaked. That way, the skeptics and debunkers would never take them seriously, as they have already debunked the MJ-12 papers. Some true documents could already have been leaked out, and are labeled as fakes by the debunkers. It is a very well thought out plan, and would have needed an insider with incredible amounts of information about the older military ways. They would also have known where to put in the errors so they would be noticed, yet not big enough for someone to catch immediately.

The names are possibly correct, and that is what they meant to do. What they did not realize was Mr Stanton Friedman finding out that Dr Donald Menzel worked for some Top Secret Security agencies in his past.

This is one subject that will not go away because of how well the documents were made. It takes a lot of skill and time to do what was done. I do believe this is one of the best examples of disinformation out there.

Goddess Bless,

Lloyd sunny

Your better read Stan one more time. He has done all the critical thinking on the docs.
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