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 Citizen Hearing On Disclosure: Now Is Not The Time

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PostSubject: Citizen Hearing On Disclosure: Now Is Not The Time   Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:09 am

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PostSubject: Re: Citizen Hearing On Disclosure: Now Is Not The Time   Mon Apr 22, 2013 10:59 pm

Jeremy or Jayvay (whatever), the level of your naivete is outstanding. This IS the most important topic to be dealt with by our civilization. The big coverup by our government has certainly succeeded with their working strategy of denial and ridicule. As is evident in your disgusting blog writing.
I think America and the World will be strong enough to handle the event set for April 29 to May 3, 2013. The American People are more resilient than you think.
I'm so very proud of our law enforcement for a job well done, and quickly too! It takes a strong Democracy to do that. Right on B.P.D. and the rest!
Your opinion of most of these attendees doesn't set well with me. Being that most of the attendees are ex-military shows me your mind set. I have a lot of respect for these people. You apparently don't.
A few of the attendees have been involved for most of their lifes with trying to get the public interested and involved with ETs and their craft. Certainly many more years than you have. The fact that you consider most, I quote from your article "frauds, peddlers of frauds, and well-meaning self-promoters rant about a presumed undisclosed reality." That's why you will get nowhere in this field, your petty, jealousy filled ramblings are tiring to listen too. Oh by the way, every time I turn around you are promoting that book of yours for $3.99? LOL, I mean really.
There are 3 things that finally stuck in my craw about you. First is your doubtfulness about the resiliency of the American people. Second is your generalized, wide sweep of your hand regarding these great military people as frauds, etc. Which reminds me do you think of a great American hero like Dr. Edgar Mitchell (USAF/NASA, ret.) within your generalizations too? The third undigested tidbit is your opinion that this topic of a 'presumed undisclosed reality' (your words) is not the most important issue on the planet! Well, it is, it is, YES it is!
We're not going to discover more about ETs by blanketing particular areas with more cameras or other sensitive equipment. 'They' have more control of when 'they' are seen, not us.
It's time for the people of the world to see past this 'Untruth' that has been washing over them all these decades. The ETH (extraterrestrial hypothesis) is true America. Don't be afraid.
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PostSubject: Re: Citizen Hearing On Disclosure: Now Is Not The Time   Thu Apr 25, 2013 4:40 am

you're fun.
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PostSubject: Im with Jeremi on this one   Mon Apr 29, 2013 5:27 pm

All them speakers all giving their own opinions, there's too many people planned at that group. Who do we follow? Who do we trust is telling the truth? U.S. U.K. & U.N. governments wont ever give all the truths of their cover ups and top secret operations with UFOs, and they have placed many disinfo agents into the UFO community. UFO conferences are usually a product selling application, I in the 90s visited spiritual fairs and it was just many people trying to sell their products, it is how UFO conferences have also turned too.
People can learn more about UFOs by just trawling the net
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PostSubject: Re: Citizen Hearing On Disclosure: Now Is Not The Time   Thu May 02, 2013 5:42 am

Perhaps I was a bit too harsh on Jeremy regarding the topic of self promotion. If they can do it then so can he. After all, I guess if someones total income is riding on whether or not customers are going to buy your book or product, then sometimes it does look like flagrant self promotion.
I started out following this field and doing my research sometime in the late 60s or early 70s. At that time much of the information 'floating' around was shared by all of us poor 'This Is Not Our Day Job' researchers. Unless we had a book out of course. (Thusly, my reconsideration of Jeremys success. Hope you sell in all your markets Jeremy.)
In the last day or two I have been watching the circus atmosphere of the event, and I wish I could remove my civilian and military friends and witnesses away from the same-o, same-o crowd. The only issues that I would still have with Jeremy is his all emcompassing generalizations of the attendees. Please don't group them all together. I notice the glassy eyed stares of some of the high ranking military attendees when they're being subjected to the ramblings of the folks still doing the "me, me, me, it's all about me!" speeches.
There are a few of the long time researchers that I still respect, and I sorely wish, after seeing how this is all going down, that they and the serious attendees had a better format to present their views.
There is still one very important point that Jeremy and myself differ, and that is the seriousness of the issue of a 'Undisclosed Reality'. As a researcher, myself and several other longtime researchers have separately reached the conclusion that the U.S. govt is indeed keeping the knowledge of alien contact and/or discovery from the people of the world. Will they ever willingly, right out of the blue, expose what they know? Not in my opinion I'm sad to say.
I think disclosure will happen in an accidental way, similar to how the authors Richard M. Dolan and Bryce Zabel relate in their outstanding book, 'A.D. After Disclosure'.
After catching the commercialism that is happening in that 'press room in Washington' I guess I should play a little more nicer with others. Including with you Jeremy. I mainly didn't want you to discourage our (the worlds) witnesses, military or otherwise, from coming forward with the valuable information that they have.
I would like to see us stop having discussions about 'IF' they are here. Or if they are extraterrestrial or extradimensional, both assumptions are most likely correct by the way. The powers that be would really hate to see us come together in solidarity and admit that 'We know they are here, now what do we do about it'.
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PostSubject: Crusty has a point   Fri May 10, 2013 2:02 pm

Crusty Bob wrote:
Perhaps I was a bit too harsh on Jeremy regarding the topic of self promotion. If they can do it then so can he. After all, I guess if someones total income is riding on whether or not customers are going to buy your book or product, then sometimes it does look like flagrant self promotion.
I started out following this field and doing my research sometime in the late 60s or early 70s. At that time much of the information 'floating' around was shared by all of us poor 'This Is Not Our Day Job' researchers. Unless we had a book out of course. (Thusly, my reconsideration of Jeremys success. Hope you sell in all your markets Jeremy.)
In the last day or two I have been watching the circus atmosphere of the event, and I wish I could remove my civilian and military friends and witnesses away from the same-o, same-o crowd. The only issues that I would still have with Jeremy is his all emcompassing generalizations of the attendees. Please don't group them all together. I notice the glassy eyed stares of some of the high ranking military attendees when they're being subjected to the ramblings of the folks still doing the "me, me, me, it's all about me!" speeches.
There are a few of the long time researchers that I still respect, and I sorely wish, after seeing how this is all going down, that they and the serious attendees had a better format to present their views.
There is still one very important point that Jeremy and myself differ, and that is the seriousness of the issue of a 'Undisclosed Reality'. As a researcher, myself and several other longtime researchers have separately reached the conclusion that the U.S. govt is indeed keeping the knowledge of alien contact and/or discovery from the people of the world. Will they ever willingly, right out of the blue, expose what they know? Not in my opinion I'm sad to say.
I think disclosure will happen in an accidental way, similar to how the authors Richard M. Dolan and Bryce Zabel relate in their outstanding book, 'A.D. After Disclosure'.
After catching the commercialism that is happening in that 'press room in Washington' I guess I should play a little more nicer with others. Including with you Jeremy. I mainly didn't want you to discourage our (the worlds) witnesses, military or otherwise, from coming forward with the valuable information that they have.
I would like to see us stop having discussions about 'IF' they are here. Or if they are extraterrestrial or extradimensional, both assumptions are most likely correct by the way. The powers that be would really hate to see us come together in solidarity and admit that 'We know they are here, now what do we do about it'.

My issue is the following
1. Disclosure is slow, on purpose, to allow the mainstream to absorb.( look how long it has taken to accept 'evolution' and the evidence has been here all along.
2. Many of those who covered up UFO secrets for a long time, become leaders in the study after they let go of there Government ties: J Allen Hynek, Edward Ruppelt, Nick Pope, Charles Halt, Jesse Marcel, Robert Dean, etc...
some of this can be disinformation; I see more of the money makers as probable suspects in thet endevour .
3. I've read, seen and heard astronauts, generals, police, pilots , a former Prime Minister, a former President,
all talk about their experiences with UFOs, many of these are similar to an exploratory benevelent group observing us.

That's what I believe and until I hear different, I'm sticking to it.
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PostSubject: Re: Citizen Hearing On Disclosure: Now Is Not The Time   Sun May 12, 2013 9:09 pm

Then there's Col. John Alexander's notion that disclosure has already happened. There have been military investigations into the phenomena. Presidents Carter and Reagan talked about their UFO sightings. What more do we want?

YES, there is a "UFO reality" present here... but it was concluded in the 50's that it doesn't pose a threat and so, while interesting, isn't at the top of the establishment's list of priorities to study. He says the notion that we are hiding crashed alien tech to build better weapons is ludicrous because 1.) It assumes aliens are advanced enough to get here but somehow crash once they do. 2.) We don't need bigger, badder, better weapons than what we've got and are developing through ordinary human means.

He says if we could figure out their propulsion system that would be something... but we can't. We don't even know if there is a "they" with a "propulsions system." And, again, not exactly a priority. I think that priority point is the one that bugs most people in ufology... How can this not be considered THE most important subject on the planet?!

Because it isn't. They've got a country to run and a world to plunder. Or whatever it is we humans tend to do. We err towards the shallow. I think I agree with the colonel--who actually did look into it, as an insider, if he is to be believed. There is nothing to find in the corridors of "power" that will blow the lid off anything. I don't think there's even agreement on what the "UFO reality" means. Most in ufology assume aliens. I doubt the government/military got that far in their assumptions before they called it quits.
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PostSubject: JV   Mon May 13, 2013 1:39 pm

I respectfully disagree.
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PostSubject: Re: Citizen Hearing On Disclosure: Now Is Not The Time   Tue May 14, 2013 1:06 am

My argument against Alexander would be something like, "Well, right after the 9/11 attacks Congress made time for hearings on boxing regulations. So, to say 'It isn't a priority' carries little weight. They make time for lots of things that aren't priority--and at the worst times."
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PostSubject: Re: Citizen Hearing On Disclosure: Now Is Not The Time   Sat May 25, 2013 2:15 am

I'll discuss Col John Alexander at another time. Him and his phoney self.
For now though I just want to say that the Citizen Hearing is beginning to gather steam well after it is over. I'm all for it.
In the final tally the various witnesses that came out was impressive and I think the 'UFO Research' community better take a good look at this stuff.
Also, in the final tally, the Citizens Hearing panel did a lot better than the 'preemptive press coverage' said that they would. According to my sources, some of the folks over in the 'House' had some serious discussions that could lead to widening of curiousity around the topic.
The in-fighting needs to stop and we need to pressure the US Govt to release information. The information, by the way, that poor ol civil servant Col John Alexander was never exposed to.
It's time to demand our politicians get to the bottom of this. It's time for researchers to get out of their comfort zone and stop concentrating on making money and start pressuring the Govt.

Disclosure is the answer.
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