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PostSubject: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Thu Mar 12, 2009 8:50 am

You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore
By Alfred Lehmberg
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It is a larger world than we know. Much grander and more expansive than we even —could— know, it is composed of times, spaces, and dimensions known and unknown. Further, these are times, spaces, and dimensions beyond chaffing limits reflexively and too fearfully self-imposed... ...or suspiciously imposed upon us!

In this larger reality swim the prerogatives, imperatives, and unfathomed purposes of gargantuan cosmic beings, swift on any level and -all- levels of that measure. Presently? We are but a mote in some distracted God's hoary eye. We barely but exist. That's enough as it turns out.

Be not to disheartened, discouraged or otherwise depressed good reader, quite the contrary. Rejoice! Be invigorated, energized, and innervated sir and madam, be electrified with excitement concerning not a rebirth... but a -new- birth of human intelligence, cognitive ability, and our elevated place in an impending LARGER reality slowly (quickly?) resolving as we speak!

A new renaissance reveals itself if the reader would allow -- one that will -not- take five hundred years to individually actualize for the masses like the last one, but will happen soon, very likely, in a matter of days, weeks, or months (for the masses!) if it does not occur more swiftly in hours, minutes or seconds.

This is what Academy Award nominated director/producer William Gazecki succeeds in doing with his landmark documentary, "Crop Circles -- Quest for Truth". He delivers the even skeptical observer, dazzlingly, to the threshold of that new renaissance and informatively, -intelligently-... comprehensively... educates the viewer with obvious regard to a very measured, painstakingly recorded, photographed and otherwise passionately studied... paranormal series of *cereal* events! In other words, CropCircles are real, in the aggregate, and they are no where -near- as dismissible as a corrupted mainstream would have its rank and file reflexively believe. Not by a -long- shot.

Moreover, hoaxed circles are dismissed beneath contempt, concern, and favorable consideration by Gazecki (and this writer!). Of course there are hoaxed circles, he will readily admit! But that's not the issue, he informs, and no time is wasted in the film on its discussion save a few seconds in, pertinent, passing. One can go anywhere else, actually, and be flam-boozled with knee-jerk dismissals on laughed at crAp-circles from both sides of the ufological isle. Ufologist Dr. Kevin Randle and CSICOP's Dr. Klass, both card carrying "crAp-circle" advocates, spring readily to mind.

But as Gazecki explains in a director's interview on the DVD (and briefly in the film), how is it that these *hoaxers* "always finish what they start", and where do they "-practice-" this meticulous perfection of execution? Where are the blunders otherwise found in any other human execution of an extremely complicated task?

Where? No! Tell me WHERE... is this army of genius artists "without egos" (astonishingly selfless and uncontestablely talented men and women)? They are REQUIRED to flawlessly execute delicate artistic balances of line and curve, light and shadow, and other rules of artistry (to include the sacred geometrical or the adherence to the natural measure of the artistic golden mean)? Verily, who hoaxes 200 quality circles a year, world-wide, for the last ten years? Who operates with no recognition, no pay-off, or reward? Who? Clearly, few to none. Not enough to make -all- these Cropcircles -- safe to say.

Most circles may -be- fake. But MANY are -not-. Seriously, says Gazecki. That should, at least, give one pause... even if it does not fuel continuous epiphany as it does with -this- writer.

Moving on, what's so convincing about Gazecki's documentary is the completeness of its production package. If the watcher wants "Science", it is there. It the watcher wants "History", it is there, too. If the watcher wants the very experience of wandering around in a new circle with the principals and perceiving the same kind excitement and energy that the principal researchers feel... they can have it by the bionic boxcar!

Science is reflected in the measurement of these enigmatic circles and science determines that the degree of the circle's complexity handily obliterates the tedious argument that any
amount of erstwhile "Doug and Daves" would be stomping them out drunkenly with a string and a board! Plant studies and soil analysis by Doctor W.C. Levengood, among other competent scientists, indicates that the energy creating crop circles has seemingly magical growing properties that are most profound. Node length studies demonstrates an unknown energy is used (in some cases) that unevenly expands the stalks of the crop to lay them down, evenly expands them to keep them standing, or blows out the "node" altogether like an exploding aerosol can! Other studies find strange magnetic properties and artifacts in the soil and they detect a linear effect of these anomalous energies and artifacts that tapers off from the center of the circle... but still inexplicably manifests the effect all the way out to control plants that are not even in the construction. The scope of these effects and the complexity of the energies producing them is HUGE, Gazecki demonstrates.

Other mysterious crop circle effects are determined to have measurable linear distributions. Indeed, as Gazecki makes abundantly clear, dozens of quality scientific investigations have been made, are -not- conclusive, and are ongoing, still. Serious science comes up significantly short.

History is accounted for in the filmed testimony of the farmers involved, farmers who make every indication that the phenomenon has been going on with them and their neighbors since they were children and long before that. Lettered historians interviewed point to old wood cuts and prints from the fifteenth century that talks about fairy rings and devil's circles thought (to this day actually!) to be playgrounds or meeting places of demons and witches. Earlier, before the common era, stone circles and mounds were said to have perhaps been laid out on suddenly appearing crop circles in an effort to keep the power of the circle under them or to commemorate them in these times gone passed. Indeed, the viewer gets a very clear picture of the historical evolution of the entire phenomenon as Gazecki's film unfolds.

As a cinematic effort the film was a masterpiece of tight storytelling and stunning photography. I can understand, completely, why Jeff Rense was virtually jumping up and down about it on his program -- Gazecki had it all in his film! Science, philosophy, and metaphysics meet precipitously in cooperative meta-cognition the viewer is -present- for! Many times I felt like I was down in the fields, myself, with the crop-circle principals, seeing what they saw and feeling what they were feeling! To say the film was beautifully photographed is a massive understatement! The play between the score and the visuals was nothing short of breathtaking... nothing short of ongoing spiritual epiphany! One could almost smell the rape seed oil as an early morning sun glittered through crop stalks still standing. One could almost see the dust they were kicking up with their own feet, or feel the chill an English autumn dawn! In Gazecki's film the individual is more participant than passive watcher.

Flatly and frankly -- the film was just a complete enchantment!

I saw the film on television DVD and all the previously described effects were plain -there-. I can only imagine what the feature looks like on the wall to wall silver screen of a real theatre. I'm sure that it would be a whole new experience, an experience incompletely described in -this- article, to be sure. The reader must campaign to see the film herself and demand that it comes to her town cineplex. See how this can be done (or even purchase an inexpensive copy DVD of the reader's own to see again and again!) at Mr. Gazecki's web site found at http://www.cropcirclesthemovie.com . Truly -- a few bucks -well- spent. ...A small price to pay to be abundantly informed on one of the most consciousness changing, mysterious, and baffling occurrences of our time.

Finishing up -- this review of Mr. Gazecki's effort barely scratches the surface of what is in store for the viewer as they take in this film. The experience is as satisfying as a dinner feast, full of interviews with competent, committed and dedicated men and women that are educated, intelligent, aware, open-minded -- "with it", in short (in every sense of the word), so the film can be taken as seriously as it was meant to be.

In all candor, one can, and should, take this film very seriously. There is no hyperbole or histrionics found in an ardent contention that watching this film -now- will go a long way towards preparing the viewer for the larger reality (mentioned at the start of this review) coming, inexorably, later. Michael Glickman, author and lecturer (and who this writer wants to -be- when he grows up) opines at the close of the film, as it pertains to the certainty of a coming new reality, that we are "...on the... -edge- of it." Along with that thoroughly convinced assertion he communicates a genuine optimism with regard to it that this writer echoes readily.

Lastly? They can't call them "crap-circles" any more. William Gazecki puts -that- nonsense to rest. Without reservation, "CropCircles -- Quest for truth" just may be the most significant piece of documentary film work this writer has -ever- seen. I'm confident the reader will think so, too! Read on!

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Mon Mar 15, 2010 6:56 pm

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Where? No! Tell me WHERE... is this army of genius artists "without egos" (astonishingly selfless and uncontestablely talented men and women)? They are REQUIRED to flawlessly execute delicate artistic balances of line and curve, light and shadow, and other rules of artistry (to include the sacred geometrical or the adherence to the natural measure of the artistic golden mean)? Verily, who hoaxes 200 quality circles a year, world-wide, for the last ten years? Who operates with no recognition, no pay-off, or reward? Who? Clearly, few to none. Not enough to make -all- these Cropcircles -- safe to say.

Well , funny thing is , they do exist , although i would'nt consider them an Army .
Fact is , they do make mistakes ! It would seem , even they don't know how "things get corrected " !

People really need to look at this phenomenon more seriously .
It's not about hanging on to old belief systems . It's about letting go .


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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Thu Mar 25, 2010 9:28 am

For me the key to it all would be in asking a simple question: What have you learned? If you took all of these "circles" and put them all together what exactly is it that you now know that is SO damn important? All arguments to date revolve around a single idea: Are they man-made? This, to me, sounds like a continual dead end road; and if that is the case, why are are we so transfixed?
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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Thu Apr 29, 2010 3:08 pm

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For me the key to it all would be in asking a simple question: What have you learned? If you took all of these "circles" and put them all together what exactly is it that you now know that is SO damn important? All arguments to date revolve around a single idea: Are they man-made? This, to me, sounds like a continual dead end road; and if that is the case, why are are we so transfixed?

Some of those things really are beautiful, though
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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Thu Apr 29, 2010 9:27 pm

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onlychild wrote:
For me the key to it all would be in asking a simple question: What have you learned? If you took all of these "circles" and put them all together what exactly is it that you now know that is SO damn important? All arguments to date revolve around a single idea: Are they man-made? This, to me, sounds like a continual dead end road; and if that is the case, why are are we so transfixed?

Some of those things really are beautiful, though

I agree there; no matter who did them they are fine works of art. I have seen only one to date that has crossed into what I have been looking at, the rest are meaningless. I posted it in here somewhere.
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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:28 am

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John Hughes wrote:
onlychild wrote:
For me the key to it all would be in asking a simple question: What have you learned? If you took all of these "circles" and put them all together what exactly is it that you now know that is SO damn important? All arguments to date revolve around a single idea: Are they man-made? This, to me, sounds like a continual dead end road; and if that is the case, why are are we so transfixed?

Some of those things really are beautiful, though

I agree there; no matter who did them they are fine works of art. I have seen only one to date that has crossed into what I have been looking at, the rest are meaningless. I posted it in here somewhere.

How can you say they are meaningless? maybe they are just having fun with us, or giving us information that we are not as yet familiar with. I think that there are a whole range of possibilities here. None of them meaningless.
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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Fri Apr 30, 2010 3:04 pm

John Hughes wrote:
onlychild wrote:
John Hughes wrote:
onlychild wrote:
For me the key to it all would be in asking a simple question: What have you learned? If you took all of these "circles" and put them all together what exactly is it that you now know that is SO damn important? All arguments to date revolve around a single idea: Are they man-made? This, to me, sounds like a continual dead end road; and if that is the case, why are are we so transfixed?

Some of those things really are beautiful, though

I agree there; no matter who did them they are fine works of art. I have seen only one to date that has crossed into what I have been looking at, the rest are meaningless. I posted it in here somewhere.

How can you say they are meaningless? maybe they are just having fun with us, or giving us information that we are not as yet familiar with. I think that there are a whole range of possibilities here. None of them meaningless.

What "meaning" have you gathered from all this? It has been established that these patterns can be, and have been, man made. The question would be: What percentage are man made, what percentage comes from another source entirely, and have we been able to draw a dividing line between the different sources? If so, what conclusions can be drawn from the patterns created by ET, if indeed ET is even part of this?

In your statement you use the word "they." How can we say for sure "they" (I'm guessing "they" is ET) are even involved in this, or at least ask what pattern(s) actually are theirs. Once we can say beyond the shadow of a doubt - yep, "they" created this list of patterns, then we should try to see what might be there as far as information. We haven't done that yet.
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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Fri Apr 30, 2010 5:12 pm

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Once we can say beyond the shadow of a doubt - yep, "they" created this list of patterns, then we should try to see what might be there as far as information. We haven't done that yet.

It is quite obvious that is never going to happen Onlychild and so i suppose we are left in the position of making a choice . Do i , or do i not , pay attention to this phenomenon .
You seem to be advocating the ideaology that a subject is only worthy of attention once the source is established , and that if that source doesnt fit your preconceived notions of what is valid and worthy of study , then it should be ignored !
Not trying to be funny Onlychild , and in a way i do understand your point . However .........
The Crop circle phenomenon goes way deeper than the , "is it man made or not " cul-de-sac .


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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:14 pm

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Once we can say beyond the shadow of a doubt - yep, "they" created this list of patterns, then we should try to see what might be there as far as information. We haven't done that yet.

It is quite obvious that is never going to happen Onlychild and so i suppose we are left in the position of making a choice . Do i , or do i not , pay attention to this phenomenon .
You seem to be advocating the ideaology that a subject is only worthy of attention once the source is established , and that if that source doesnt fit your preconceived notions of what is valid and worthy of study , then it should be ignored !
Not trying to be funny Onlychild , and in a way i do understand your point . However .........
The Crop circle phenomenon goes way deeper than the , "is it man made or not " cul-de-sac .


FW . Very Happy

For me (and the seeming problem here) the bottom line has to do with what 55 years of "things" going on in my life have brought me to. I have reached a final conclusion and then did a complete reevaluation of everything - because I had to. I'm as hard on myself as I am on others.

In the context of crop circles (as well as anything else) I admit I look to see if anything exists that blends with what I know, and if not - I'm out of there: I just don't waste time on seeming dead ends. The Eastfield pattern (?) from 7/7/07 is the only pattern I have seen that fits what I see, and allegedly was instantly created. Other than that - zippo.

Look, my approach makes me a pain in the ass, and I know that, but I know what I am looking for as far as add on pieces of information. I have gotten used to working alone - it's gone on for years.
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PostSubject: Crop Circles - Pictagrams   Fri Apr 30, 2010 6:47 pm

No one publicly knows the truth on this! There may be eye witnesses that have seen a formation form, I believe there has been here in the U.K. I can't prove it! I know people have seen spheres over farm fields before or after a pictagram has formed in some cases, I can't prove that either!

This may be a problem for the next generation of Ufologists if we can't try to wrap our heads round it. This is a field that needs a close look at by us all.

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:21 pm

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No one publicly knows the truth on this!

I had suggested working on the only formation that caught my eye, and I posted it --> here. <--

The only thing I need to finish this off is proof positive this thing appeared in a flash ... if we can take care of that I can supply the meaning.
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PostSubject: Crop circles - Pictagrams   Fri Apr 30, 2010 7:49 pm

If your pictaram - crop circle was formed quickly or in a flash, than yes probably not a hoax. But if it isn't a hoax the question still remains: Why and what does it mean. Most of the earth's Crop Circles - Pictagrams are formed in the U.K. Some good researchers have looked into this. There has been eye witnesses and footage + lab results! I have visited some myself but it's not my primary area of interest. If what you suspect is true then clue the rest of us in on your investigation.

Thank you for your hard line speech
i have tried to be honest, open and polite and put forward my thoughts to the forum without treading on any toes.

Nothing Personal but why the doom and gloom picture at the end of each post, some of us in ufology have hope for the future!

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Fri Apr 30, 2010 8:04 pm

Perhaps Onlychild , the meaning for you would be the same ,regardless . I also can not prove anything one way or the other .
I can only say to you that as far as my information goes , 777 was MM .

Saying that you can supply the answer to something if the criteria that you require is fulfilled
doesn't make sense to me i'm afraid .

Can i suggest that we forget the , is it or isnt it , argument for the moment and suppose that the 777 formation was not made by humans .


As far as you are concerned , what does it mean ?

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Fri Apr 30, 2010 9:34 pm

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Thank you for your hard line speech
i have tried to be honest, open and polite and put forward my thoughts to the forum without treading on any toes.

Lol ... I kind of lack that grace; I'm not a diplomat I'm afraid.




Nothing Personal but why the doom and gloom picture at the end of each post, some of us in ufology have hope for the future!

Without writing 12 pages here, this was the theme of everything I have looked at, piece by piece.

I too have hope for the future because hope (not doom) is what this is all about. The short and to the point picture is that ET does not get this close unless there is an "event" coming (other than that we are on our own). This has not happened since 13,500 BC and onward to about 10,000 - 9000 BC.
1) Something is coming.
2) We are not responsible for the details.
3) If the SHTF we are covered ... how? That's a detail ... just trust them.

The picture of "hell" as we have been taught, was originally a burning garbage dump, so, if you go to hell - that pic is pretty much the story.

We have been hassled, labeled, laughed at, taunted, and we ourselves have thought we just might be crazy. The reason is that what we should know (as portrayed in the East Field Circle) has been removed from history (hence the cut off glyph). No matter what the story regarding that crop pattern, the picture is 100% right. As far as I am concerned, we either start getting this topic in order, or that picture below is going to be full of people.


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PostSubject: Crop circles + pictagrams   Fri Apr 30, 2010 10:14 pm

Hello Onlychild,

I have glyphs on my computer in my collection believed to be 25,000 years old.(Cave and Rock Glyphs) The same story has originated from 5 continants world wide. The gods that came from the sky, (Australia, India, Africa, South America and North America i.e. United States). I think we have been monitered since Modern Hominid. I think the thing that is comeing IS US! Slowly but surely if we dont mess it up we may be a lagitimate space going species and part of a community. I believe we have been watched and pushed in the right direction throughout our evolution. i.e. today's religous system, and a holy figure who stood on a mountain thousands of years ago.

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:37 pm

Hi Mac5

I will agree in part, saying that those who survive what is coming will go on to SOMETHING greater - I have nothing on that at all. The post I made in here on Longfellow was the last piece of information I have found before modern times. Longfellow was right on the money and if you read the poem SLOWLY you will see the key words used. Something is coming (again) and it isn't going to be pretty.

The religious systems are the result of the rewrite of history. While there is a pointing to - something - the base ideas are wrong. Even christianity, the story of "the son" ... the original information only dealt with a woman ... there never was a son.
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PostSubject: Ref: Crop Circle - Pictagram   Fri Apr 30, 2010 11:49 pm

Comeing around again?

I have often thought of mankinds history being Circular.

Some of the Out Of Place Artifacts do seem to point that way.

Let's hope were a little more grown up this time around.

I think theology plays a larger part in ufology than most people think!

When you talk of a history re-write, do you mean what happened to the Bible in Constantenople and the Roman emperor?

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Sat May 01, 2010 3:58 am

Mac 5 wrote:

Let's hope were a little more grown up this time around.


Right idea - wrong planet

Mac 5 wrote:

I think theology plays a larger part in ufology than most people think!

When you talk of a history re-write, do you mean what happened to the Bible in Constantenople and the Roman emperor?


You mean Constantine? No, WAY before that.

Actually, if the outcome wasn't so sad it would funny. Some people about 5400 years ago did the EXACT SAME THING people are doing today - they INTERPRETED what was going on. According to Dr LaViolette, there was a M I N O R galactic superwave. The temps dropped so suddenly, it was like the floor dropped out from under them, but it wasn't the great doom event some thought it was.



The complete picture, as I have been saying, is that ET does not "show up" unless there is a big event coming. 5400 years ago ET never showed up (because there was no reason to) but yet an event was seemingly upon them.

Instead of keeping to the doctrine that said that very thing, they believed doom was coming and the "gods" had either, for whatever reason, abandoned them, or, that this doctrine was wrong and needed fixing. Whatever the case, pre-Egypt and pre-Sumer were the cause of the rewrite as the war in pre-Egypt and new pantheon of gods and doctrines emerged. From here, over time, the sun god idea ( the biggest "ball of light" in the sky) became the head honcho and creator, and the last doom event C 13,500 BC became the creation of the world.

We never learn, and the interpretation rampage we have been on has only gotten worse. Our picture today has ET here, unlike the picture 5400 years ago. Again, something is coming. Will we wake up? My bet is no, we won't. Interpretation has become the norm, and when TSHTF - wave bye-bye to humanity.
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PostSubject: You Can't Call Them 'Crap Circles' Anymore   Sun May 02, 2010 9:36 am

Hi Onlychild,

Thanks to our chat the other day I done some digging.
I now more fully understand your Theory.

All I can say is: I hope your wrong - I hope their peacefull!

The Sumarian subject certainly is interesting!

I stumbled across Richard Hoaglands idea that there could be a exstinct advanced City under the ice at lake Vostoc Antartica.

I saw Robert Bob Dean on U Tube, he mentioned that U.S. Inteligence were very interested in the region.

Do you know what is going on with this now, I don't know anything except what i've seen on U Tube, and that was just a few bits and pieces that were quite old!

Thankyou for makeing me pay more attention to mankinds history!

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Sun May 02, 2010 6:15 pm

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Hi Onlychild,

Thanks to our chat the other day I done some digging.
I now more fully understand your Theory.

All I can say is: I hope your wrong - I hope their peacefull!


No, they are not evil. If that was true we would have seen aggression by now. Evil is a brain glitch - period. Good people (including those on this planet who have PhD brains) have never lashed out at humanity. Now mental illness is another story; psychopaths have carved their own road in history to get what they want, and we have let them get away with it. The evil ET idea is a product of TV and movies.


The Sumarian subject certainly is interesting!

Yeah, Sumer and Egypt screwed up everything, but it seems after the arrival of Imhotep, things began to change somewhat. The entrance into the picture of the "son" also called the dying god, was a hope that the original picture would be restored. But that character has to be eliminated to restore the original.



I stumbled across Richard Hoaglands idea that there could be a exstinct advanced City under the ice at lake Vostoc Antartica.

I saw Robert Bob Dean on U Tube, he mentioned that U.S. Inteligence were very interested in the region.

Do you know what is going on with this now, I don't know anything except what i've seen on U Tube, and that was just a few bits and pieces that were quite old!

Actually, no. In fact I am back looking through Jessie Weston's Graal work. Weston was born too early and missed out on a ton of history; the graal cup is not where people think it should be lol. All I will say is, Weston was right; ahead of her time, picked on (as usual), but she knew what she saw.




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PostSubject: Hi, Onlychild   Sun May 02, 2010 7:03 pm

Sorry I havn't responded sooner, i've been looking at your link.
Very Interesting!

Please exscuse me but I know nothing of Jessie Weston's works. When you refer to the Grail do you mean The Cup Of Christ or The Family Tree of Christ? I am open to both theories.

When Jesus was younger it is believed that he may of visited the U.K. And later that the grail may have also. I have no info on this and would need to ask others about their research. It is also believed in some circles over here that certain members of Christ's family may have moved to france after his death.

When previously we have spoken you have mentioned 'The Mother' or text regarding a female or the feminin. Are you on about Evilyn who came before Eve, or the feminin religion that was around just before Christ.

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Mon May 03, 2010 1:24 am

Mac 5 wrote:
Sorry I havn't responded sooner, i've been looking at your link.
Very Interesting!

There's no rush - respond when you have time.

Mac 5 wrote:

Please exscuse me but I know nothing of Jessie Weston's works. When you refer to the Grail do you mean The Cup Of Christ or The Family Tree of Christ? I am open to both theories.

Well, yes, but neither are true. The story behind "the son" was an addition; there never was a son in this, just the "woman" - what we call the mother goddess. Christianity's Saul / Paul was right, but he used the wrong information and included the son in his approach. Christianity is the story of a coming doom, and salvation carried out by a multiplicity of beings coming from the sky, the text calls angels / messengers. That's our story: Doom and a multiplicity of beings coming from the sky to do whatever, depending on what's going to happen.

The Graal is a story that deals with something being lost, and a quest that stops dead at the time of Jesus. I find that odd because if you look at the picture, the only thing that was lost was the information. Paul failed epically as doom never happened, and whoever knew the story seemed to vanish from history. The other oddity is why the term graal? It seems that graal was chosen simply because of its spelling, and possibly it's etymology. GR'A + AL, the Hebrew words gimel resh ayin + aleph lamed would give a meaning of God('s) destruction. (See Klein's Hebrew Etymological Dictionary.)

Jessie's work takes this idea further and connects it to the mystery cults and dying god. These were the figures (the son) who were connected to life coming to an end (symbolic of the doom idea) and then life coming back after the doom was over. She was born too soon or would have seen the connection: the word graal has an etymology that seems to connect to the Greek word krater, and oddly the cup is the constellation crater and sits next to the key constellation of Virgo. So, find the cup and you find the truth - which is Virgo.




Mac 5 wrote:

When Jesus was younger it is believed that he may of visited the U.K. And later that the grail may have also. I have no info on this and would need to ask others about their research. It is also believed in some circles over here that certain members of Christ's family may have moved to france after his death.

If Jesus is a non-character, even if he had a family, they would mean nothing in the overall picture.

Mac 5 wrote:

When previously we have spoken you have mentioned 'The Mother' or text regarding a female or the feminin. Are you on about Evilyn who came before Eve, or the feminin religion that was around just before Christ.

The picture deals with the mother goddess, so-called. This symbol was the original sign of life between humans and ET with regard to doom. If something was coming, that sign was our promise of life. Oddly, ET is here ... I wonder what's coming lol!
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PostSubject: To, Onlychild   Mon May 03, 2010 6:02 am

You certainly seem to know your subject!

Are you self tought or have you had formal education in this?

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PostSubject: Re: You Can't Call Them "Crap-Circles" Anymore...   Mon May 03, 2010 9:39 am

Mac 5 wrote:
You certainly seem to know your subject!

Are you self tought or have you had formal education in this?

Kind regards

Self taught - followed the bouncing ball of main clues, one of which was the idea ET even existed and was a part of all this - something I just woke up with rattling around in my head. If anything, I would be the ultimate example of deceit on ETs part if I am wrong. This is almost 3/4 of the books bought over the last 20-odd years. Thank God for the internet LOL ... stuff I am looking at now is too technical to just go to a book store and find.

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PostSubject: Hi Onlychild   Mon May 03, 2010 9:53 am

Your library looks very impressive, it puts mine to shame!

You must be quite a book worm!

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