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    glider
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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sat Nov 26, 2011 9:07 pm

    Hello All,

    Well, here's my take on the UFO internet. It's a wasteland. Unless I can get at the hidden intelligence internet (Intelink) or some other "alternet" resource and get around on it then the subject of UFOs will continue to be a never-ending circle of repeated ambiguity. As far as I can see, I've gone as far in a few short months as anyone has gone after years of investigation.

    Unless someone has a very tactical and unique "spider" then the Web will continue to be useless other than for getting a cursory education WRT anything Alien other than enormous conjecture; which is mind numbing to the point of being unhealthy. I have no choice but to yield to the overwhelming odds stacked against the community and do seriously think at this point that nothing short of all out action as a whole will get anywhere. If in fact anyone wants to progress to an answer at all!

    I do not trust MUFON to tell the Truth and do hold to the concept that the Organization, while staffed with people that are mostly trustworthy, cares not about anything but itself and whatever it finds out will never be distributed to the public. Just more ridiculous cloak and dagger stuff which serves no one's interest but the agents that it is now set up to serve. It's a puppet Organization that has lost it's backbone. Sad because it was set up to succeed where others have failed- only to fail itself.

    There is no hope for the UFO community quite honestly and an answer will not be forthcoming for anyone unless some kind of undeniable pressure can be brought to bear in all directions. It will take some strong organizational skill with a foolproof plan of action that once started could never then back down. Don't ask me what that could entail in scope because I haven't a clue. But earlier in this thread I mentioned a line of logic WRT disclosure that I thought might be an interesting approach. And it is this fine-pointed argument:

    The U.S. Government recently honored a petition brought to it concerning any knowledge of Alien contact which was addressed by saying that there is nothing that the government has knowledge of nor does it know of any agencies that are hiding anything. Well if that's the case then the Government is complicit in allowing UFO conferences to continue perpetrating not only an apparent hoax on the public but also the fact that the conferences have created an industry that has been lying to the public for over fifty years- unabated. I say that the Government is complicit because of the millions in tax revenue it has collected off of the sales of books, author's incomes, hotel fees, air fare, money for tours like Roswell, and all the paraphenalia that believers purchase worldwide. It out and out makes governments accomplices in a fraud scheme that is soley set up tp bilk the public by lying to them.

    Now. If that is not the case, and governments allow these conferences because they are after the Truth and therefore must be on the up and up then the U.S. Government must be lying in their denial of Alien or UFO existence. If one wanted to play hardball then the fact that governments cannot have it both ways could be one avenue to take. Personally in the black and white aspect there is, and can be, NO middle road. Either close the conferences as being detrimental to the health and security of the public as well as the government or, if not, then admit to the public that Aliens and UFOs exist.

    That is what my experience on this and other Forums has brought me to- THE WALL! Either yes or no across the board. Stop sending the mixed message to the public or come clean as to why you don't think you need to

    And there it is folks. Could be the Swan Song but if you ask me it has come to this point- and probably for good reason. YA THINK?

    glider.

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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sun Nov 27, 2011 8:54 am

    As I have said, the only reason for the lost confusion is that the information was removed from history and the "people who knew" are gone. It really doesn't go any further than that. Even if you look at the Hopi beliefs, they are a mixed bag of ancient and error period (post 3300 BC) beliefs. Some probably entered the picture with the Olmecs and some are christian influence. There is everything from the existence of the great god in the sky (tied to the sun) to the destruction of prior worlds and the gods involvement. There really isn't anything left, so I wouldn't expect to find a source - especially on the net LOL.
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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sun Nov 27, 2011 9:43 am

    Hello OC,

    I'm one of those people who just had to see the situation for myself without allowing any outside influences to interfere with my own delving into things for my own goals.


    In the beginning I found myself wondering how anyone could have done any research in the past without internet but now I see that the older reaserchers were much more capable as investigators. My tin hat is off to them for their stalwart attempts. I've read the old books and articles and science reports. Man, they were GOOD! My sojourns into the mystery always led me back to the 1950s, apparently because the enigma has not changed since then and the data trail was fresh.
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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:25 am

    glider wrote:
    Hello OC,

    I'm one of those people who just had to see the situation for myself without allowing any outside influences to interfere with my own delving into things for my own goals.

    If you want, I'll lay out "my" quest for you like I got it "pointed out" to me.




    In the beginning I found myself wondering how anyone could have done any research in the past without internet but now I see that the older reaserchers were much more capable as investigators. My tin hat is off to them for their stalwart attempts. I've read the old books and articles and science reports. Man, they were GOOD! My sojourns into the mystery always led me back to the 1950s, apparently because the enigma has not changed since then and the data trail was fresh.

    This is PART of what I wound up with - started WAY before the internet.



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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sun Nov 27, 2011 11:35 am

    Hello OC,

    OK. Lay it on. Does two make it officially a group effort? I hope so 'cause this flying solo stuff just isn't working.
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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sun Nov 27, 2011 2:28 pm

    glider wrote:
    Hello OC,

    OK. Lay it on. Does two make it officially a group effort? I hope so 'cause this flying solo stuff just isn't working.



    It's all about whoever cares to learn. I have flown solo from day one and all I ever asked was for someone to prove me wrong - prove me wrong, and I'm FREEEEEEEEE. cheers

    I think the best thing to do is start a private Yahoo Group for a discussion and anyone who is interested can come there. This way the forum can get on with whatever it wants to do.

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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sun Nov 27, 2011 3:36 pm

    Hello OC,

    All I have to say is.......AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!! You're just as bad as the rest of 'em! Very Happy However, as I've already exclaimed....... (exclaimed?)........ count me in. Now if we can get Dave(the geology-lovin' truthseeker)Fair on board then we should have what is known as a contingent. I do think a good geology guy would help for access and the ability to read the Story of the Past to keep things at least in a chronological sense. I get the sneaking suspicion that you may in fact be going in a different direction though.
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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sun Nov 27, 2011 5:13 pm

    glider wrote:
    Hello OC,

    All I have to say is.......AAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!!! You're just as bad as the rest of 'em! Very Happy However, as I've already exclaimed....... (exclaimed?)........ count me in. Now if we can get Dave(the geology-lovin' truthseeker)Fair on board then we should have what is known as a contingent. I do think a good geology guy would help for access and the ability to read the Story of the Past to keep things at least in a chronological sense. I get the sneaking suspicion that you may in fact be going in a different direction though.


    All I have is a story that spans 56 years, has been broken down into it's component parts, and is now (it seems) officially over. There were times where I was left to do what was last pointed at to study - for YEARS. I wasn't told anything, I had to figure it out, hence the constructivist approach. It wasn't until I fell on my face due to a deliberate "set up" (thanks guys) that new things came in - but I STILL wasn't told a damn thing - I STILL had to figure it out.

    I have looked at this from one extreme to the other, from "I'm nuts" to "I'm right" and anything in between ... and unless I missed something critical - I'm right. If anyone has anything to add, I'm all for it. If people have their own adventures, I'm all for it. The bottom line HAS to be hard data, and I'm not budging on that.

    We have no date for anything coming, just one lone piece of information that says it is. If it's 30 years from now, we will have something else to restore as well; something else that was seemingly lost - an organized presence on earth preserving and distributing the restored information.

    Once we get set up you can pass a message to whatever groups you have been in contact with and they can join if they want to. I WILL bounce anyone that starts trouble. So let me know what you want to do and if it's OK with you then tomorrow I will look into starting a group. Operation Learning (unless you have a better name) is about to begin. study
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    PostSubject: Re: UFO Reboot.....   Sun Nov 27, 2011 6:10 pm

    Hello Only Child,

    You know by now that after two projects I am a person who, #1, can be trusted and #2 can be counted on once I give my word. Also, I'm fearless. If it's something that truly carries a good sense of reasoned argument and possesses an honestly logical framework then I WILL show up. Oh, I almost forgot: It has to to benefit Mankind. There's nothing more that needs saying. Operation Learning it is.
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