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PostSubject: The Greys - Pfft ...   Sun Mar 06, 2011 1:05 pm

Beliefs MUST BE constructed from accumulated data - period. When we construct a picture from what we "believe" is true, we stand an excellent chance of believing in something that does not exist. Do the greys exist? Or have we succumb to a picture that has an origin point, beyond which, as we go back in time, there are no greys? If Whitley Strieber is truly the archetypal source of the greys ... what does this say about the brain and its ability to totally screw up a picture in the minds of billions of people?



I have been looking at this history, mostly out of boredom; anyone want to talk about it?


http://www.viewzone.com/zeta.html

http://www.answers.com/topic/contactees From: Gale Encyclopedia of Occultism & Parapsychology: Contactees
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Sun Mar 06, 2011 8:17 pm

While we wait for a reply Sleep I thought I'd add the conversation I had with my granddaughter that so much reminds me of things like this. The problem here is that she was asleep and woken up by the cat meowing or something. Anyway, she sat up and said she saw the cat on the window sill, but then it disappeared. Now she's 11 and has no clue about the workings of this, but adults go through the same thing with ET. The key is you are sleeping ... what did you really see? Were you totally awake?

Anyway, she went out in the hall - I think it was to look for the cat, and she saw something that scared her ... it had red eyes (not in the pic she drew) and she said she had never seen anything like it in her life.



I told her I would bet good money on the fact she had in fact seen something like it in the cartoons she watches, which makes this simply a Day Residue event, on top of the fact she probably was half asleep and had a sleep walking dream based on her fear of the cat vanishing.

What about the evil picachu character?



What if it was just the cat's head looking around the corner in the dark, and translated by her sleepy brain?

The idea is, how much of this very idea has been dragged into the UFO phenomena, either in a half waking state or still just completely asleep? I KNOW someone out there who reads this would actually believe my granddaughter saw this thing ... because I've heard the argument before.
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Sun Mar 06, 2011 10:23 pm

I have no preconceived notions of what any alien would look like, presuming there are more than one type. I have always found it interesting that folks use predominantly same images (Greys of course with many variations there of). I can see how that kind of thing would take off though. To me it's no different than a rumor and we all know what begins, is not what ends. I'm only sure of craft that move 50 to 60 miles in the blink of an eye and can change directions without deceleration. Also, I witnessed their ability to appear and disappear in broad daylight. The disappearing act we may be able to pull off, but the G-forces produced at the crazy high speeds and directional changes is not something we could handle without anti gravity/inertia systems. We do not have these systems much less the ability to make anything move that fast, other than maybe a proton in a controlled environment with a great amount of time and expense, I would add. This is my foundation for alien existence.
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Sun Mar 06, 2011 11:33 pm

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I have no preconceived notions of what any alien would look like, presuming there are more than one type. I have always found it interesting that folks use predominantly same images (Greys of course with many variations there of). I can see how that kind of thing would take off though. To me it's no different than a rumor and we all know what begins, is not what ends.

I have never ever seen one.

I saw only ONE ET in any detail in my life ( I know I've written this in here before) and I would have shrugged it off as a sleep induced episode were it not for the fact that I heard pots banging in the kitchen at least 3 if not 4 times. The last time I was up like a shot (I thought it was the kids) and when I opened the door and looked into the half of the kitchen I could see, it was dark except for light coming into the window, which I didn't pay any attention to. I called - no answer. Suddenly from the window where the light was coming in, a movement began and a small, thin, large headed - ? - started to walk right in front of me being about 10 feet away. But it wasn't a "grey" ... it had soft human-like features and eyes like ours, only a bit bigger. It wore a one piece suit and never once looked my way. If I was dressed I would have gone out to meet it, and by the time I put sweat pants on and went out there, it was gone. Like I said, I would have dismissed it were it not for the pots banging multiple times.

Others with no detail to report were the ones at 5 YO, my size (or there abouts) skinny, and that's it (YEARS before I ever read about my episode happening to others - but there was no abduction).

One in a sleep paralysis episode which I would also write off as a day residue dream, because I originally heard about the character from someone else years before ... except for one small problem: Years later a girl in one of my high school classes told me (with no prompt) she saw the same being. Tall, with a hat of some kind, and cape. You figure it out LOL ...
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:20 pm

So, where do we really get our "picture" of what's going on?
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Mon Mar 07, 2011 9:16 pm

Yeah, I think that goes without saying to much. When we are all guessing, the acceptable interpretation becomes the norm and of course we are the good guys and have to win the day, kiss the horse and bone the leading lady. Yea..........

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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:28 am

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Yeah, I think that goes without saying to much. When we are all guessing, the acceptable interpretation becomes the norm and of course we are the good guys and have to win the day, kiss the horse and bone the leading lady. Yea..........


So then - what's the REAL picture?
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:48 am

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So, where do we really get our "picture" of what's going on?

I am going to the premiere thursday night. I am so hoping the aliens don't die from something as simple as bacteria or something. This may be doubtful because the premise is that the invasion party are bio-mechanical soldiers. It looks like the aliens in this one were smart enough to bio engineer resource harvester drones. An ideal ending. Something that isn't expected like primitive humans actually winning.
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:50 pm

Yeah, you and everyone else LOL ... I'll wait for the DVD version of that and the other movie "Paul."

The idea is, how many people will absorb the picture and succumb to their Reptilian brain fears because they have no data to counteract that fear - which is the way it is supposed to work. Bouncing all of this crap around in your head with no data-based counter argument literally becomes a movie in itself, and shows on the screen of your mind - while you sleep
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:11 pm

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Vortexasylum wrote:
Yeah, I think that goes without saying to much. When we are all guessing, the acceptable interpretation becomes the norm and of course we are the good guys and have to win the day, kiss the horse and bone the leading lady. Yea..........


So then - what's the REAL picture?

I don't know. My best guess would be human like from the information I've gathered and even the bible gives some reason to think that. But then you have to account for all the other possibilities and it would seem those are infinite. We really have been left alone for the most part (other than maybe a failure or two to keep us from destroying ourselves it would seem). This gives me reason to think that we are being allowed to mentally evolve. To what end is the question for me at least. If there are others, perhaps they have been held at bay, or maybe blocked from interfering with us with some exceptions (abductions and animal mutilations). I sure would like to know for sure. I really want to know; how in the hell they do that anti gravity stuff!
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:25 pm

All I can say is that my experiences show a teaching approach that is 100% valid, but one I do not agree with. To give a person (me, beginning at 5 years old) pieces of information that do not tie together for Y E A R S is just a bizarre way of doing things. I can come up with possible reasons, but it's just guesswork on my part.
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue May 17, 2011 3:10 pm

Hey Onlychild ! Just freewheelin by . Thought you had retired ? It will all make sense soon i reckon .
Hope you are well matey . Vibes from across the pond !

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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue May 17, 2011 3:49 pm

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Hey Onlychild ! Just freewheelin by . Thought you had retired ? It will all make sense soon i reckon .
Hope you are well matey . Vibes from across the pond !
I've been working on a few things - bored out of my socks really. I put a 19 page piece together defining everything I could think of that has brought me to where I am today, and found a couple of interesting chronological errors. Goes to show you - don't trust just your memory to keep things straight lol ...
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PostSubject: Greys   Tue May 17, 2011 8:26 pm

If you look at decriptions of Roswell aliens, Alagash 4, Travis Walton, betty and barney, Aurora Tx,...
There are many similarities, they Greys are supposed to be more of a newly arrived group
since 1966 or so.

but basically; pinkish pale to grey skin, no hair, 3-4.5 ft tall, 2 large eyes, small holes for nose, slit for mouth, no real recognizable ears, 3-4 fingers on each hand, also taller walking stick figures usually only connected to the Greys.
but there are supposedly 23 different species here according to ex-government people.
That's my two cents.
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue May 17, 2011 9:27 pm

Hello jacjgbowman,

My understanding is that the reason the so-called greys look the way that folks say is because of the picture that Betty Hill drew. So coming onto the scene in the 1960s makes sense. I'm guessing that the other grey images stem from that, and even got retrofitted into other events that occurred in the past like Roswell. Your thoughts?
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Wed May 18, 2011 12:59 pm

onlychild wrote:
The idea is, how many people will absorb the picture and succumb to their Reptilian brain fears because they have no data to counteract that fear - which is the way it is supposed to work. Bouncing all of this crap around in your head with no data-based counter argument literally becomes a movie in itself, and shows on the screen of your mind - while you sleep. Cool

Well, there you go! Let's put this idiotic movie clip into perspective: the "inspiration" for it was the Battle of L.A., which took place in February 1942.

So, what actually happened? A strange and unidentified airship simply cruised harmlessly over Los Angeles. Our war with Japan had just began two months before and everybody was suffering from a bad case of "war nerves".

So naturally, the military response to this innocuous fly-by of an unidentified airship was a huge barrage of anti-aircraft shells which seemed to have no effect on the craft at all - but the falling shells did have an effect on the people below. This Wikipedia article expresses "conventional wisdom" on the whole thing. Notice that they carefully avoid calling the unidentified airship a "UFO", this, despite the fact that it was, unequivocally, an unidentified flying object:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Los_Angeles

And, need I point out that if it was actually a weather balloon (as the article suggests), don't you think all of those exploding anti-aircraft shells would have had some kind of effect on it?

So, here is your stimulus and response: a weird Zeppelin does a harmless fly-by and the utterly fear addled humans on the ground fly into a panic that inspires them to shoot hundreds (if not thousands) of explosive shells at it. It did nothing more threatening fly over town.

Remember, beliefs are the nexus between stimulus and response. It was our fear-ridden beliefs that caused those trigger happy G.I.s to shoot-up the L.A. skies. Now here we have a new movie, doing the same thing. It is just a replay of naive 1950s saucer flicks where the main theme was that if aliens are here, they must mean us harm! The utter lack of evidence of such treachery is beside the point. Human fears win the day.

And we wonder why they don't just drop in on the White House lawn and give us a nice greeting and a hug? Pogo was right, "We have met the enemy and he is us!"
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Wed May 18, 2011 11:54 pm

Hmm!
Did you know that persains (the people) are kinda grey in color?
I say that because I know several of them. They are the kind of people who make friends for life.
Bieng one of the older/elder races of man I find that to be intresting. Persia is now Iran by the way.
My thoughts on the greys are simple. I have never seen one. Cats eyes by the way reflect red as do aligators.
I would think that as big as the universe is that 23 difrent alien races would not be out side the scope of possibilities.
I would how ever think that they would be restriced to biengs that live in a similar enviorment. Of what possible use would it be to
have biengs from a gas gaint to visit here?
OC my youngest grand child the 6'3" 280 pds. one, is graduating from high school. He was voted king of the prom.
He's a good young man and has been accepted at St. Leo's this fall. He is going to be a teacher like his grandmother.
I'm more then a little proud of him.
I have never been able to grow a full beard, he at 18 looks like a giant leprecon.
He got me with his tux though......... burgandy sash and cor fram tennis shoes.
He did get his sense of humor from me though.

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PostSubject: Do greys exist?   Tue May 24, 2011 12:53 pm

I once had an employer who's favorite phrase was "It's all about perception". I agree. We tend to base our beliefs on what we accept or perceive as truth. Supplying data to support any given "truth", however, can become suspect as very often that knowledge/data is )1 not yet completely understood, ) 2 erroneous,, i.e. not completely factual or accurate )or 3 designed as propaganda.

Before the proliferation of the stories and images of abductions, John Mack was sent letters from Bud Hopkins describing anomalous experiences by a number of individuals which although dissimilar in fine details, were eerily similar in psychological disturbances. As most of you know, these letters were from many different locations sent by many different types of people, old,young male, female, professional, blue collar and so on. All of the people were suffering from a type of PTSD and were begging to be declared "crazy" so they could be diagnosed and treated. In short they all appeared to be traumatized by some event / experience which was completely foreign to any truth they might have known.

I think that after "Contact" et al, many have based their truths and therefore beliefs on the stories and images available. It does become very difficult to sort out actual truths from perceived truths and anomalous experiences from serious psychological distresses.

Do greys exist? Have they existed prior to their public persona, or are we trying to define an adversary in order to understand something well beyond our comprehension?

I don't know, but it is a fundamentally important discussion question.
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue May 24, 2011 1:35 pm

Michael wrote:

Do greys exist? Have they existed prior to their public persona, or are we trying to define an adversary in order to understand something well beyond our comprehension?
I have said this before, I have an EXTREMELY hard time understanding the picture presented by people, as I have NEVER ONCE, since 1955 to present day, EVER had a hard time with ET. No scary experiences, no greys, nothing like the things people write about.

What I have gone through paints a particular picture that is constructivist in nature, what I formally called the Distance Factor. It is a teacher / student type of relationship, but as in my case, I was pointed in a particular direction in history, and I had to put the pieces together. Even my introduction to the ET subject happened by waking up one morning with the line The Alien Connection running through my head. I treated it like everything else, went looking at books, and what do you know - there WAS such a subject.

As far as greys go, I have never seen one. Maybe they exist, and are another part of this picture and I am working with someone else. I have no clue - but I do know how the brain works and how brain hijacking works. People think they are thinking - they aren't.
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PostSubject: Glider   Tue May 24, 2011 2:47 pm

Glenn Dennis says that the nurse at Roswell drew him a picture and that looked like Betty Hill's drawing. Also even the Aurora Tx airship crash in 1897 talks about a small bald asian looking body. So I think it goes back further. Frank Edwards book strange world talks about some of the different types, mostly small red, or blue aliens he's picked up from old school mythologies.
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue May 24, 2011 2:59 pm

It's remarkable that with all the "things" we know, we know nothing
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Tue May 24, 2011 10:33 pm

Hello jackgbowman,

jackgbowman wrote:
Glenn Dennis says that the nurse at Roswell drew him a picture and that looked like Betty Hill's drawing. Also even the Aurora Tx airship crash in 1897 talks about a small bald asian looking body. So I think it goes back further. Frank Edwards book strange world talks about some of the different types, mostly small red, or blue aliens he's picked up from old school mythologies.

Interesting indeed, Thanks. Of those I did not know. So is it possible that one still influenced the other but in different order?

P.S. Hi OC.
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PostSubject: influences   Wed May 25, 2011 7:35 pm

yes, it is like the old story about the Shamen in Central and South America, when the Spanish were coming they couldn't see them until the Shaman went into a trance believed it possible and told the tribe.
Our minds try to categorize things into what is already known, so we see what we can based on what is believed not just what is seen.
Gordon Cooper said some people won't believe in Aliens or UFOs until one lands on the White House lawn- it very nearly happened in 1952, but about 1/2 the country still doesn't buy it, maybe they can't see them?
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Wed May 25, 2011 10:31 pm

jackgbowman wrote:
yes, it is like the old story about the Shamen in Central and South America, when the Spanish were coming they couldn't see them until the Shaman went into a trance believed it possible and told the tribe.
Our minds try to categorize things into what is already known, so we see what we can based on what is believed not just what is seen.
Gordon Cooper said some people won't believe in Aliens or UFOs until one lands on the White House lawn- it very nearly happened in 1952, but about 1/2 the country still doesn't buy it, maybe they can't see them?
They don't WANT to see them.

The most interesting picture in the explanation of the Triune Brain revolves around a single word: Hijack. The mid-brain and R-Complex can actually hijack the individuals thinking, and instead of coming to conclusions based on logic and hard data, the explanations are generally in the "I feel this is the way it is ..." or some fear based approach, as in this case, if I don't acknowledge their existence, they aren't there.
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PostSubject: Re: The Greys - Pfft ...   Fri May 27, 2011 11:41 pm

oddly enough,
It has been my experience , that fear based knowledge is much more common then most people will admit too.
If in the dark of the night one has the sensation of some one is walking accros your grave you get that feeking. If one sees something
that is not explainable, then one gets the fear reaction. Example if you have a bunch of kids sitting arround a camp fire tell ghost stories.
Have some one out side the camp fire waiting for the appropriate moment to make a sound or move a bush. Bingo fear.
most people live in a constant state of fear. I.E. Job fear, boss fear and etc.. They will never admit to it though.
To my point.... If driving down a dark road you see the lights in the sky and can not explain them to yourself then fear.
If you see a grey then fear. In my case the lights caused no fear just curiosity and questions with no answers. I can't say the same if I ever did see a grey.
I do not believe that E.T. would harm one of us. I believe that as only child has stated "hi! Here we are and look we haven't harmed any one.

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