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PostSubject: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Tue Apr 28, 2009 9:26 am

I’m just curious here, have there been studies or articles written as to what percentage of the population contactees/abductees represent?

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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Tue Apr 28, 2009 4:36 pm

There are those who think the number is huge, but I agree with Kevin Randle that it is probably a very small number. The vast cases of abduction are probably psychological and/or neurological problems such as sleep paralysis.

The problem is finding out which cases are the real deal.

If there are so many other cases, where are the UFO sightings and radar confirmations of unknowns? Where are all the witnesses to these events?
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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:07 am

""If there are so many other cases, where are the UFO sightings and radar confirmations of unknowns? Where are all the witnesses to these events""

So what you're saying, if I understand it correctly, is that beings of a higher intelligence, that appear to be behind these phenomena, can travel vast distances through the universe in technologically superior craft, but for some reason lack the know-how to keep off of our radar screens, or do whatever it is they are doing, on the QT.

And you have deduced that because of this, the numbers of actual abductions are "very small".

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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 6:18 pm

The UFOs have to land to pick up the people they are abducting. There are very few cases where these are verified. I do think people are abducted, not the large number that is reported by some researchers.

Here are my other problems with abduction cases:

1. No physical proof. The Betty and Barney Hill case is loaded with physical evidence, but the vast majority of others has none to back them up.

2. The "implants" that have been taken out of people are always irregularly shaped and made of a common metal found on Earth. I will be impressed when someone removes a perfectly shaped implant (like a cube, square or circle) from someone that actually has been manufactured.

3. Most of the researchers rely to heavily on hypnotic regression, which does make people recall fantasy as truth. The technique worked in the Hill case as the psychologist was not looking for aliens. Now they are looking for them as aliens are part of the pop culture.

Like most of the people here, I would like to see some serious study and work done to find out if there are any real cases of abduction out there. For now, the lack of evidence and hypnotic regression used is not helping the case.

Even Betty Hill asked where all the UFOs were and questioned the use of hypnotic regression.


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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Wed Apr 29, 2009 8:25 pm

""The UFOs have to land to pick up the people they are abducting.""

Says who?

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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Thu Apr 30, 2009 2:48 pm

I just state that they would need to land, but they could float and use anti-gravity devices to get people in the ship. I also use the Betty and Barney Hill case as it is the one I believe actually happened. It is possible they use other means to transport people aboard, but there is no way to know for sure.

Again, I am not saying people are not abducted, but I do think it is rare.

I should also put the question to you as what evidence do you have that these people are being abducted other than hypnotic regression? The stories are nice, but they are stories until more evidence is shown to prove what is happening.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Abduction by aliens is an extraordinary claim and I am one to need more than a person abducted from their bedroom before I go along that it is an alien abduction when there are other more rational explanations out there (like sleep paralysis).

BTW, Jocariah, it is nice to have a civilized debate without anyone flaming either of us. I get a lot of flak because I say the Betty and Barney Hill case is the real deal. I also get a lot of flak for suggesting most abduction cases are explainable by other means. Thank you for a chance to have a good discussion on a very serious topic.


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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Thu Apr 30, 2009 4:30 pm

""BTW, Jocariah, it is nice to have a civilized debate without anyone flaming either of us. I get a lot of flak because I say the Betty and Barney Hill case is the real deal. I also get a lot of flak for suggesting most abduction cases are explainable by other means. Thank you for a chance to have a good discussion on a very serious topic.""

My pleasure, kidflash ... I enjoyed reading what you've had to say.

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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Fri May 01, 2009 1:40 pm

Has there been any other proof of abductions other than the hypnosis?

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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Fri May 01, 2009 4:07 pm

LakehurstNJwitness wrote:
Has there been any other proof of abductions other than the hypnosis?

Interesting question !

The Betty and Barney Hill case gets a lot of press in ufology because of the physical evidence it has to support it:

1. Betty's torn dress also had a pinkish substance on it.

2. Barney's shoes had scuffs and scratches indicating he was dragged.

3. The car had a few circular marks the size of a quarter on it. When a compass was put near them, it would behave wildly. The marks were seen by dozens of people, and they all did the compass passover to see the effect. The marks mysteriously disappeared in a few weeks.

4. The craft seen by the Hills was also confirmed by radar as an unknown object in the area.
This piece of evidence always gets ignored by the skeptics, and it is among the strongest.

5. By far the best evidence is the star map drawn by Betty. Marjorie Fish did some excellent research in finding a match.

6. Betty wrote down her dreams before she was hypnotized. The hypnotic trance produced a much different story than the dreams did. Barney's story corroborated Betty's, even though both of them were made to forget what they told before coming out of the trance so they would not taint each others' story. This part gets confused by skeptics who claim it was all a dream of Betty's that Barney heard about.

That is a lot of evidence for the one case.
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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Fri May 01, 2009 4:29 pm

Betty was shown a "star map" which she was able to draw during hypnosis , it too is an amazing piece of evidence as the following piece shows .....


"On Aug. 4, 1969, Betty Hill discussed the star map with me. Betty explained that she drew the map in 1964 under posthypnotic suggestion. It was to be drawn only if she could remember it accurately, and she was not to pay attention to what she was drawing - which puts it in the realm of automatic drawing.

This is a way of getting at repressed or forgotten material and can result in unusual accuracy. She made two erasures showing her conscious mind took control part of the time.

Betty described the map as three-dimensional, like looking through a window.

The stars were tinted and glowed. The map material was flat and thin (not a model), and there were no noticeable lenticular lines like one of our three-dimensional processes. (It sounds very much like a reflective hologram.)"

Betty did not shift her position while viewing it, so we cannot tell if it would give the same three-dimensional view from all positions or if it would be completely three-dimensional. Betty estimated the map was approximately three feet wide and two feet high with the pattern covering most of the map.

She was standing about three feet away from it. She said there were many other stars on the map but she only (apparently) was able to specifically recall the prominent ones connected by lines and a small distinctive triangle off to the left.

There was no concentration of stars to indicate the Milky Way (galactic plane) suggesting that if it represented reality, it probably only contained local stars. There were no grid lines."

Three stars in the clusters were unknown until 1969. No Astronomer on earth knew their position in 1963.

Yet Betty Hill drew a map of these stars in 1963. Before I conclude this article, I must point out that I am not one given to shallow evidence from one webpage or a supermarket tabloid.

I am simply taking the role of reporter here, and offer no opinion of my own. Everything included in this article has been confirmed by many investigators, scientists, psychiatrists, etc. I will leave you this one fact:

Astronomers at Ohio State University had a computer put them in their exact position out beyond the double star system of Zeta Reticuli 1 and Zeta Reticuli 2--220 trillion miles, 37 light years from earth, looking toward our sun. The computer duplicated with virtually no variation, the map of Betty Hill.
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PostSubject: Re: What Percentage of the Population do Contactees Represent?   Sun May 03, 2009 6:39 pm

There was a case in Canada in which a man was burned by a flying saucer that took off:

http://www.ufoevidence.org/topics/PhysiologicalEffects.htm

The full link to the story does not work, but the site itself is quite interesting. There are other cases in the site that has physical evidence cases.
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