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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 11:00 am

Hello All,

i tried to look up a fly-over schedule for the NOSS group USA-122 (designated 1996-029D) and this came up:

http://www.heavens-above.com/satsearchresults.asp?lat=0&lng=0&alt=0&loc=Unspecified&TZ=CET

Oh well, can't win 'em all I guess.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:03 pm

Hello Only Child,

GOT IT!

http://www.heavens-above.com/orbit.aspx?satid=23862&lat=0&lng=0&loc=M&alt=0&tz=CET

So, if the configured proximity of the satellite triad cooperates at the time this polar orbit crosses your neighborhood and the time of night allows for the Sun's reflection you just may see your first "Black Triangle".
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 12:48 pm

Here's something else you can try ... allegedly NOSS sats are programmed into this tracking software too.
http://www.heavensat.ru/english/#downloads

I have no idea if this will work - but ... if it does the sat should show it's real time position - if you refresh the page every few minutes the sat should move.


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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:36 pm

Hello OC,

Correct. Same as the web I post I think. Anyway, it's on my desktop and the thing really covers a lot of ground in a very short time! It also looks to move west in it's track so thw UK sh ould be able to see it on the next pass as the sun will be right on it. It may even be over you in a few hours at about the right time. Cool, eh?
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 3:57 pm

Hello All,

The object(s) is right over the UK right now. I'll be curious to know if any Black Triangle sightings are reported to MUFON during this timeframe. I'm very nearly positive that MUFON knows about this but absolutely will not publicly inform anyone. This is ridiculous!

P.S. I was posting on a UK site during this time but ws informed that it was overcast...
Oh well, another time perhaps. At least they know about it.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:10 pm

Figuring out what something is, by determining what it is not - LOL. I'll keep an eye out ...
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 6:29 pm

Hello OC,

Yeah, I wonder if Sherlock is smiling. Speaking of which: what's YOUR weather like?
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:09 pm

Clear ... good night sky every night.
Just scrolled up to look at the pic - damn, that thing moves fast. It's gonna be too far south to see.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:12 pm

Hello Only Child,

Yessir it does indeed! It'll be in your backyard before you know it. I'm not convinced that the graphic updates are exact (they could be late) so I'd stay ahead of it if you're going to make a stab at seeing it. Also, don't expect it to be a triangle,; it could be a more or less linear event. But in any case I hope the Sun has somewhat set by the time it gets to you. There must be an optimum solar angle for good reflections although I couldn't begin to tell you what it would be. Perhaps something more like we see in Full-Moon senarios. Who knows.

Good Luck! Keep me posted.


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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:14 pm

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Hello Only Child,

Yessir it does indeed! It'l be in your backyard before you know it.

Much too far south ...
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 7:26 pm

Hello OC,

It is on this pass but the next one could be good.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:30 pm

Hello OC,

Nope. Looks to be too far West now. Oh well.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Oct 30, 2011 8:38 pm

Holy crap it's coming back already?
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Thu Nov 03, 2011 5:58 pm

Hello All,

Over the next two or three weeks I hope to have a handle of just what groups of satellites are still operating within the NOSS (or similar) system. After observing the seeming repetitive orbital pattern of 1996-029D I think that the coverage by that one group alone must be, and probably is, only part of a larger system that generates more in the way of scope.

I'm of course going on two or three ideas here. The fact that some folks report only seeing triangular light patterns and not a specific craft per se, but not within the current NOSS pattern, lends to the thought of at LEAST one more group. And the fact that the majority are seen in the early to mid-evening hours demonstrates a level of validity to the dynamic of reflected sunlight. Another point, along with no sound in many cases, is the short duration of those sightings and the straight-line flights. Direction of travel would depend on what part of the orbital segment is occurring at any given time.

In any case at slightly less than two hours per revolution there's ample opportunity to see if any of this holds enough water to limit the scope of the Black Triangle enigma in such a way as to be able to focus only on the elements that are left uncertain. If the satellites do in fact account for the majority of sightings and why no one apparently sees them land or take off from anywhere then it just may be a large leap in the right direction in helping to reduce UFO fear to an even greater degree.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Fri Nov 04, 2011 8:55 am

Should be interesting. I was never able to get an answer regarding the balls of light I saw a couple of years ago. They just wandered across the sky, and at one point GLOWED with an intensity I couldn't believe. Then, they just faded out and disappeared. This happened a few times, never happened before or after. Satellites? I dunno.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Fri Nov 04, 2011 6:33 pm

Hello OC,

I'm certain satellites do not in any way, shape, or form cover even all the bases for the BTs nevermind anything else. And although they may account for a fair number of UFO reports there is still going to be a lot of unanswered questions. I will say this however, persistence does pay off if one can keep a logical head on their shoulders and approach things not so much from an untouchable standpoint but with the idea that there IS a solution. It may not necessarily be science but it does need to be dealt with without fear. Just jump right in and look at all sensible angles.

Are there UFOs? YES, but I sincerely believe that they are solvable but it takes time, patience, and info from the most unlikely places. I found the NOSS info on an astrophysics Forum I believe. The trick is to not give up. If one has a hunch then run it to ground no matter what= looking at all angles until things fit. Usually there is something wrong with a picture that can, when conciously realized, presents a good avenue of pursuit. If something doesn't seem quite right then determine what is not right and dig in.

Your dryer approach comes to mind here. I think we do have method in common.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Fri Nov 04, 2011 7:35 pm

It's fun - for me, 38 years tomorrow of following the bouncing ball research Basketball

There is an answer to EVERY question, we just don't know what it is - yet - hence the 'quest' in question.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sat Nov 05, 2011 12:41 pm

Hello All,

As sort of an addendum to all of this it should be understood that the U.S. more than likely isn't the only entity to put this kind of system into play. So with that in mind one could probably go with the idea that other countries' "triangles" are up there. On the back shelf? I'm also keeping in mind the angle that MUFON, Robert Bigelow, et al, know and knew of this right along and that Bigelow's 2002 investigative report (and subsequent recant) along with himself had been effectively halted in his tracks from further pursuing BTs. He of course, as many of you know, now has controlling interest in MUFON and has been more or less sanctioned (via a memo) by the U.S.'s FAA as the go to for anyone wishing to file a report with that Agency.

All in all, an extremely interesting pursuit if in fact it all ties together.

Regards, Sherlock.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sat Nov 05, 2011 9:32 pm

Hello All,

I think that this a good time to say that I really don't give two hoots that these satellite systems are deployed. It doesn't bother me at all about their purpose real or imagined as I sense that the World is a better and safer place because of them. The issue I have is the continued ignoring by TPTB of their existence even while this aspect of the Black Triangle phenomenon is continually being reported and the "hoax" perpetrated on the public goes virtually unabated.

Someone should do the right thing and step up to square things away. Again- it's ridiculous that the important service of protecting the public from ill intent by an outside aggressor has the side effect of allowing wild speculations of triangular Alien spacecrafts. I think it's time for TPTB and the people they govern to grow up.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Sun Nov 06, 2011 11:44 pm

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BTW.................where is everybody? Except for the new folks you and Dave (the Night Owl) Fair? This Forum has over 500 members now. One would never know it.

Although I like to think that people are watching from a "safe place" in the background, the picture more than likely follows what Gould said when he talked about people learning no tools of judgment and merely following their hopes. They want to, as Gilovich mentions "... "see" order where there is none, and spot meaningful patterns where only the vagaries of chance are operating."

I look at this entire picture and see the most remarkable study waiting to be done - we can actually track the evolution of thought over the last 5000 years, and nail exactly the time we began to S L O W L Y emerge from mythopoeic thinking to a use of the left hemisphere because hard data began to emerge.

The picture we are dealing with today is a combination of correct thinking - using ALL the aspects of the triune brain in concert - and what is left of ancient thinking, where we use 2 1/2 parts of the triune brain. If people can get used to hard data, and realize most of the crap they believe is mythopoeic fantasy, they will show up in droves, because they will realize it doesn't matter if you are wrong - it's just data.

Greetings from the nite bird,
Most people are afraid of bieng judged for expressing an opinion that runs contrary to standard accepted belief. The fear of bieng labeled a nut case or a ufo phreak is all it takes.
the other point is that the real core members are off doing thier own thing. Check leslies sites as an example. What we three have here is a good thing. The ability to come together and relate to each other is a plus. Oh by the by check jack bowmans sites. That man is a prolifc writer. The theory that the black triangles are simply more tests of secret goverment projects is simply so much bull poop and here is my reason for stating that. When I saw the nine lights in the three V's and they turned /rotated in a 180 and went back the other way I was eight or so. That would make it 1954. The united states simply did not posses the technology to do that and silently I may add.

creative chaos,
as with mandrelbots and jualin sires is a way of showning that indeed from chaos patterns do emerge. The very reandomness of the equasions forces chaos in to patterns of graphic designs that are not designs by design. The equations are not that complicated but the results are. Admitedly at my age my thinking is a little fuzzy, yet, I say that chaos is what makes the world what it iis today. For good or bad. Chaos is random chance? Believe what you will.
One of the things that happens when I have data that I cannot consciously figure out is tucking it out of mind so to speak. With enough patience I will wake up in the middle of the night with the solution. I seldom sleep with out a pad and pen. If I don't write it down it will be gone in the morning.
One of the strongest methods of gaining knowledge is negative feed back. You set a date and wanted them to appear. They didn't.
Kinda of a thumb to the nose. Cause after that, well thier back and they are doing that which is thier agenda.
Since we have passed the 7 billion mark we have now reached the point of diminishing resources and are no longer capable of sustaining life as we know it.
Notice how this seems to fit in with the 12/21/2012. I believe as we flow thru time towards that date you will indeed see and increase in sightings.
My favorite theroy,(not mine) is that the nazi's established a base on the dark side of the moon and are planning a return on that date. I'd probably fall over if that one occured.

One more thing. Yes I am a night owl. The majority of my adult life I have slept an average of 4 hours a night. Throw in a couple of power naps (fifteen minutes at a time) durring the day. arround every six or seventh day a 10 hour sleep.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Mon Nov 07, 2011 12:13 am

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What's say we go the simple approach. The advantage of helicopters is something we all know. The primary disadvantage is of course the lack of reasonable stealth. I'm just putting this out here for thought. The whole idea of hovering, rotating in place as well as speed has pretty much been solved in the conventional sense.

BUT! what about stealth. My thought, which just occurred, came from the method of data storage that OC and I were just talking about. Secure a helo into a bay inside a lighter-than-air (LTA) craft. This would reduce or possibly eliminate the rotor noise that we are all familiar with. The LTA wouldn't have to be entirely dependent on a lift gas and the added helo power would allow for rigid or semi-rigid frame construction for aerodynamics. A lot of reports estimate the BT to be 15-20 feet in height. Just about helo size. Build the thing with three points for landings and acceleration resistance.

When wishing to deploy simply drop in the chopper, bolt it down, close the top-vented bay (or not), suck the air down from above and push it out through directed exit vents to reduce or eliminate down draft, cover it with stealth skin, and away you go! Noise abating material (such as the kind open phonebooths have) only much lighter and higher tech. This could reduce the rotor to a hum possibly.

What brought this on is that I remembered at least two reports over the last year that said the BT was making quite a racket like something metallic was banging arould. Could have been a loose vent over the rotor or a bad bearing or even an interior insulating panel let go.

Just thinking out loud here.

greetings to both of you,
Your description matchs the avro silver bug a ducted fan flying car. It was not to sucessfull and was discarded. Not enough power plant to be feasible. (at that time) It was a minature of the german design.
Stealth and helicopters. If you know that the f-17 and the b-2 use stealth tech. Then you must under stand that it is bieng expermented with on helos too. If you look closely at the black hawk and the apachy you will not baffles on the intakes and exhauts there is a new form of composit rotor blades that makes far less sound then the old huey. I can still tell a huey at 12,000 feet and behind a hill. The two choppers the sent in after ben laden were both stealth. Thats why they destroyed the one with the engine failure.
What I find intresting is that when the goverment is quiet thats the time they are up to something.

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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:15 am

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Hello All,

This begins the search delving into the nature of the triangular-shaped UFO's. The criteria for this topic will center around the various aspects of witnessed events, mostly from MUFON but also to include sighting reports from NUFORC and other entities. Along the way I will continue to include videos of other types of crafts just to break up the tedium but the focus is to be primarily on the deltas.

I will follow this post shortly with a list of details concerning these objects so some discussion could be generated. Not just wild speculations but more of a scientific investigation. There are other more in depth investigations going on by some really serious organizations who have their own ideas and as I look further into that I will be able to support or deny anything I or any member may come up with.

There are some extremely interesting viewpoints that will have good bearing on this subject just so you know this is not the only place this particular aspect of ufology is going to go under the microscope. I do honestly feel that with the increase of these craft sightings since 1980 and especially since 1990 that a very large piece of the puzzle is right in front of our noses.

They are Made in the U.S.A. and are 200 yards long with a blue/gray paint on the bottom.

The MFD drive system is murcury based plasma spinning at 50 to 60,000 RPM's inside a hollow super conductor that allows the craft to reach the moon in under one hours time.
Russia shot one down in the north atlantic that almost started a war.
(see 2008 Steve Quayle report)
They had this drive system in the 1960's and have been using this drive system extensivily with above black tax money for years.
We will win the next war but at a cost of many lives in our large cities.
They need a good reason to bring ou the secret weapons and may prevoke an attack as a way to be the last super power on earth.
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Wed Aug 08, 2012 11:57 am

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They need a good reason to bring ou the secret weapons and may prevoke an attack as a way to be the last super power on earth.

Earliest date I have is in the '50s ... and if they must keep this 'under wraps" one has to question the "out in the open" aspect of these "triangles" since the 50s.

I find the continued "cloak and dagger" aspect of this picture typical - he said / she said, all the way down the line.

As was said by Dr. M. Shermer:
We form our beliefs for a variety of subjective, personal, emotional, and psychological reasons in the context of environments created by family, friends, colleagues, culture, and society at large; after forming our beliefs we then defend, justify, and rationalize them with a host of intellectual reasons, cogent arguments, and rational explanations. Beliefs come first, explanations for beliefs follow.

Interesting comment by Lyndon LaRouche:
The cleverest way, psychologically, in which to hide a secret is to divert the investigator down a tiring trail toward a false discovery. His own efforts convince him either that he has found a secret through great energy and cleverness on his own part, or, if the secret he seeks appears still but to barely elude his grasp, he values all the more his continued course of misdirection. …
The effect of that sort of misdirected search for the ultimate global master-conspiracy is principally two-fold. The dupes themselves are misled away from the secrets being hidden in this manner. Secondly, the discredit which is directed to fall upon the lured, turns most others foolishly away from all searches for the secrets of those “inner elites” which have in fact run the world’s affairs during approximately three thousand years of known history.

The secrets known only to the Inner Elites: Lyndon LaRouche.

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PostSubject: Hope that this will help...   Wed Aug 08, 2012 7:10 pm

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Hello All,
I've looked at everything from aeronautics to MIT to military wish lists, and some of the most practical as well as the most farfetched of senarios. I have scoped out thousands of reports from MUFON to NUFORC as well as other organizations- including some of the now defunct ones. Been down every avenue WRT flight testing, USAF, Boeing, Lockheed, NASA and several private industries.

So, what have I found out? The Black Triangles- they're ours. Really. No joke.

http://www.thestealthblimp.com/documents/illinois_trianglehypothesis.pdf

The only thing that makes sense to a logical thinker such as myself. I will be looking deeper into this you can be sure!

The best thing I can do for the folks here is point them in the right direction...

Please listen to Vox Populi show from Veritas radio called
"the story of walt willis" then let me know what you think about what I have reported.

I was a cop twice and just retired from TSA as a supervisor. Got a score of 90% on my shrink test for the police department in 1998.
Think I'm still ok?
What I have shared with Mel Fabregas was given to him about 3 years ago and it took him that long to beleive the story so don't let it trouble you if it takes you longer.
I kinda feel sorry for the people that want to know but are having a hard time with many of the reports out there.
I'm sure some are BS for sure...
If you are one of the people that have seen a ufo/flying saucer or alien, please feel free to ask me questions.
NO BULL PLEASE!
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PostSubject: Re: Black Triangles   Wed Dec 19, 2012 1:36 pm

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So, what have I found out? The Black Triangles- they're ours. Really. No joke.

(I can't post the link)

no its not...it doesn't look anything like that, not at all...it is more squarish, not aerodynamic, more like a slice of pie, and it travels under its own power at VERY LOW ALTITUDES,....there may BE blimps out there, but thats not what we're seeing.

....By the way, they are NOT black, they are grey in color.
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