Paratopia Episode 84: Lee Townsend

Jeff Ritzmann interviews his old research partner, Lee Townsend. Lee is that rare breed of person: He gets it and knows how to articulate it well. What is it?--The high strangeness underlying alleged alien abduction phenomena.

This is an absolutely fascinating conversation and confirmation of some of the shared experiences Jeff has talked about involving Lee. More than that, it's a conversation about Whitley Strieber's theory that alien abduction phenomena might represent "what the force of evolution looks like when it applies itself to a conscious mind."

Get ready to go deep:

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