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PostSubject: What if?   Wed Sep 01, 2010 11:09 am

What would happen to UFOlogy if, for some reason, believing not only in UFOs, but the hypothesis that UFOs are extraterrestrial in origin became not only acceptable, but the norm. What if, the governments and militaries of the world suddenly ponied up and admitted that not only have they recovered UFO wreckage, along with bodies of occupants, but that they were not of this Earth, and provided images and allowed tours to see the proof?

What if this proof were so undeniable and open that even the skeptics of the world said collectively, “My God, we’ve been wrong all this time. It is true.”, thus causing the subject of UFOs to stop being taboo, and even open to discussion without ridicule around the office water cooler. Heck, let’s go so far as to say that revealing your UFO encounter would maybe ‘get you in with the crowd’, and talking negatively about UFOs might put you on the fringe.

Would this scenario be the best thing for those in UFOology? At first blush, we would say yes, but lets look a little closer. I have been a collector my whole life. My wife would call me a hoarder, but I say that’s splitting hairs. Anyway, as a collector, I have always found an innate thrill in the chasing down of sought after items. Rare items. Hard to find items. You search high and low. Flea markets, yard sales, eclectic and rare book shops, toy shops, comic shops, etc. It is always a huge rush to find one of a group. You spend days looking at it, and savoring the sight of it along with the others you’ve found. Then finally, one day, when you least expect it, in the back corner of a store or a table at a flea market you find it . . .the last of the set. Your heart pounds as you realize what you’ve found. After all this time and all this work the fulfillment of a dream. You’ve completed the set, and seeing them all together will make you whole.

And for a moment it does.

As you look at the completed collection, expecting to feel whole at last, it hits you: It’s over, there’s no more quest. Nothing to hunt down. Nothing to search for in those dusty shops or hot flea markets. No reason to scour the Net for a new book shop you haven’t tried yet. You stop feeling whole, and a feeling of emptiness takes it’s place. It’s quite a letdown when the thrill of the hunt is gone.

Is that what would happen to UFOlogy if my opening scenario were to play out? Would all of the people who have have fought so hard and so valiantly for the acceptance of the science feel elated and justified? Of course they would, but would it be fleeting, as for the collector who finally finishes the job, or would they quickly feel a letdown as they no longer had this elusive problem, or the seemingly unending fight against the forces who oppose them? Would many flitter away from the subject, since it has lost it’s secret attraction?

It is sometimes very thrilling to be the lone voice, fighting against the tide of disbelief, wanting so badly to prove ‘them’ wrong. What if that happened all of a sudden?

Does it then become the question, “Be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it.”, or is it actually more fun to always have the quest?

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Wed Dec 15, 2010 6:55 am

I don't think I would lose the feeling of mystery. There's so much out there, that even if they came out to tell and show us what they know, and what they've learned, it would take us almost as long to learn it ourselves.

We have a lot of theories about what they know. We have a lot of theories about where ET's come from, who they are, how they get here, what they want, etc... But that is what they are, theories. We may be right, close, or completely wrong. Regardless, there is a lot to learn. But I want to stop guessing, stop theorising, and start learning the realities.

Just my $0.02...
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Wed Dec 15, 2010 12:53 pm

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I don't think I would lose the feeling of mystery. There's so much out there, that even if they came out to tell and show us what they know, and what they've learned, it would take us almost as long to learn it ourselves.

We have a lot of theories about what they know. We have a lot of theories about where ET's come from, who they are, how they get here, what they want, etc... But that is what they are, theories. We may be right, close, or completely wrong. Regardless, there is a lot to learn. But I want to stop guessing, stop theorising, and start learning the realities.

Just my $0.02...

That's a really good way to look at it. Not as an end of the anticipation, but as an opening for new learning possibilities. Do you think humans could take it as such, or will we just start right off trying to kill what we don't understand?
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Wed Dec 15, 2010 11:23 pm

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natedog54 wrote:
I don't think I would lose the feeling of mystery. There's so much out there, that even if they came out to tell and show us what they know, and what they've learned, it would take us almost as long to learn it ourselves.

We have a lot of theories about what they know. We have a lot of theories about where ET's come from, who they are, how they get here, what they want, etc... But that is what they are, theories. We may be right, close, or completely wrong. Regardless, there is a lot to learn. But I want to stop guessing, stop theorising, and start learning the realities.

Just my $0.02...

That's a really good way to look at it. Not as an end of the anticipation, but as an opening for new learning possibilities. Do you think humans could take it as such, or will we just start right off trying to kill what we don't understand?

I would hope that the powers that be, would have some understanding of them already or the sense to tread lightly until we do have a good understanding of them. I think they have known about them for a long time, and I hope that they have learned something by now. But I think for the most part, humanity is ready for the information, or introduction, whichever it may be.

I think it would open up a lot of educational opportunities. I mean, when new sciences are introduced, there is never enough people educated to the level needed to work with it. Culture, biology, technology, astrobiology, etc...
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Thu Dec 16, 2010 11:26 am

I too believe the government(s) already have some understanding of the alien presence/visitation. The problem with that is, will they allow it to a be learning opportunity for all, or will they fight to have control over it? Governments tend to think militarily first. Just ask Philip Corso.
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Thu Dec 16, 2010 4:37 pm

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I too believe the government(s) already have some understanding of the alien presence/visitation. The problem with that is, will they allow it to a be learning opportunity for all, or will they fight to have control over it? Governments tend to think militarily first. Just ask Philip Corso.

Unfortunately, I couldn't agree with you more.
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Fri Dec 17, 2010 10:05 am

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I too believe the government(s) already have some understanding of the alien presence/visitation. The problem with that is, will they allow it to a be learning opportunity for all, or will they fight to have control over it? Governments tend to think militarily first. Just ask Philip Corso.

Unfortunately, I couldn't agree with you more.

I really wish we could get leaders who would actually think with their brains and not their testosterone. I also wish we would get full disclosure about the alien presence. Stanton Friedman is so right about SETI. What is the sense of searching for signals when we have so many obvious signs that they are visiting us here?
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:08 am

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I really wish we could get leaders who would actually think with their brains and not their testosterone.

I also wish we would get full disclosure about the alien presence.

It has nothing to do with testosterone, it has everything to do with psychopathy. The continuing picture revolves around a single idea: We don't care about you. Psychopaths have zero "feelings" regarding anyone and are only focused on what they want and how they can get it. Right now the picture is moving towards taking over the entire planet. They have to be careful because we are many and they are few, and that may coming to end soon too.

Regarding "disclosure" ... you will never get it. What they are doing is connected to the ET presence, and it is all connected to mind manipulation: keep the people trapped in a hope that will never come.

Movement began with 911, and I have tried to explain here, as well as other places, that they are SO confident about what they are doing they blurted the key out right in front of everyone's face before the event happened. Then too, when building 7 came crashing down ... again we stood there (and are STILL standing there) scratching our heads and asking why. scratch

Disclosure - HA! That would be like Washington calling Japan and saying YO - we're gonna drop an atomic bomb on you ... better clear the area.

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:52 pm

911 was merely what the Project for a New American Century needed to kick in to high gear. Whether they were complicit in it (as I believe), or merely used it for their own means, here is at a quote direct from their own document Rebuilding America's Defenses, written about their desire to move our military forces out into the world to expand Americanism, one year prior to 911:

Quote :
Further, the process of transformation,
even if it brings revolutionary change, is
likely to be a long one, absent some
catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a
new Pearl Harbor.

Emphasis mine, but it needs to be emphasized.

So basically, I am on board with you 100%. However, my original question was how total true disclosure might affect the UFO world.
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Tue Dec 21, 2010 5:39 pm

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... how total true disclosure might affect the UFO world.
If it was done correctly from the start, it may have been better and only the religious would have to adjust - if they could. Christians for instance would have to be taught that their savior was a rewrite character that was added to this very story (a coming destruction and "salvation" from above). I don't see them accepting that, in fact today they believe Satan is at the bottom of all this. Both Christians and Muslims, for instance, would also have to accept the fact that "God" was also an added character to this story. Where once only the feminine character existed (what we call the Mother Goddess for lack of a better term), after the rewrite she had a husband and child, and the base story was eliminated - at least until Paul showed up 2000 years ago because he believed doom was coming. Unfortunately, he was wrong all the way across the board as doom never came.

"Disclosure" is not only about ET ... it's about how we lost the story and what happened to us after it was lost. It's this story that ties to 911 and Virgo (another representation of the feminine character at a time of destruction) being with Mercury (the messenger of the gods - delivering the message of destruction from TPTB and not the gods) and even building 7 whose number represents Orion - the "father" in this.

That is as close to "disclosure" from TPTB as you are going to get.


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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Wed Dec 22, 2010 6:56 pm

Hello only child,

"Where once only the feminine character existed (what we call the Mother Goddess for lack of a better term".......

The correct name is Sophia. As far as the Christian Trinity is concerned, the Holy Spirit is considered feminine. This makes the Nativity story an extremely accurate symbolic portrayal of Father, Holy Spirit, and Son- in that order- as does the symbolism of the Baptism by John in his Gospel where the Father is the voice, Sophia is the Dove and Jesus is the offspring- the Son, in that order.

Now the theoretical Infinite possesses Past, Present, and Future all at once. So a Book like Revelationsl will have the entire account of existence within it. Personally I don't have a problem with any of this. Paul was NOT wrong, he was an extremely educated man WRT Scripture (Old Testament) which was why he was such a fanatical anti-Christian when it came to Messianic beliefs. He was a scholar of both the Oral Torah as well as the Written Torah, the Oral Torah is much older than the written one; having been passed down for eons before the written account by Moses.

Therefore I do not believe that the true record has been lost nor the information we are supposed to know. But I do believe that the necessary ingredients of what we are to remember have been locked up by symbolisms which allow men of power and greed to screw with the interpretation of those very symbols that one needs to clarify matters.

IMHO, of course. Peace.

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Wed Dec 22, 2010 11:58 pm

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Hello only child,

"Where once only the feminine character existed (what we call the Mother Goddess for lack of a better term".......

The correct name is Sophia. As far as the Christian Trinity is concerned, the Holy Spirit is considered feminine. This makes the Nativity story an extremely accurate symbolic portrayal of Father, Holy Spirit, and Son- in that order- as does the symbolism of the Baptism by John in his Gospel where the Father is the voice, Sophia is the Dove and Jesus is the offspring- the Son, in that order.

That's just the point - all of this interpretational rhetoric came much later in history; there never was a central masculine figure until people began reverencing the sun ... and later still, the child. The next step was to remove the personality from the sun and place it in the sky - somewhere - you couldn't see him but he was supposed to be out there somewhere.




Now the theoretical Infinite possesses Past, Present, and Future all at once. So a Book like Revelationsl will have the entire account of existence within it. Personally I don't have a problem with any of this.

You haven't studied - only believed what you were told. Been there done that since I was a child; I know how it works - it's brainwashing. It has gone on, century after century in each separate belief system, from childhood to adulthood, generation after generation, for 2000+ years. It has become so ingrained in the minds of people, you can't get it out without a fight. The key is to stop looking at your religion and start looking at other religions. You all look at each other and believe YOU are right and THEY are wrong - and THAT is impossible. You are ALL brainwashed to believe YOUR way is the right way and everyone else is an idiot. None of you go back far enough in human history to see the truth - and this is believing what you WANT to be true.


Paul was NOT wrong, he was an extremely educated man WRT Scripture (Old Testament) which was why he was such a fanatical anti-Christian when it came to Messianic beliefs. He was a scholar of both the Oral Torah as well as the Written Torah, the Oral Torah is much older than the written one; having been passed down for eons before the written account by Moses.

Paul was dead wrong, and biblical scholars have noted the differences in the texts over time. The people believed the "end" was coming in their lifetime - and it never happened.

Verses like this are all over:


Now these things … were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages has come. (You can’t get any plainer than that. 1Cor.10:11 Never happened.)

we eagerly wait for a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ … (Phil.3:20 Never happened.)

… now we request you, brethren, with regard to the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, our gathering together to Him … (2Thes.2:1,2 Never happened.)



Therefore I do not believe that the true record has been lost nor the information we are supposed to know. But I do believe that the necessary ingredients of what we are to remember have been locked up by symbolisms which allow men of power and greed to screw with the interpretation of those very symbols that one needs to clarify matters.

The true record has most certainly been lost. As far as Christianity goes, Jesus is NOT part of the picture, God is NOT part of the picture, and the only thing "coming from the sky" has been here in our faces since the Battle of LA. Are we going to wake up in time? I don't think so. Just like the Clovis culture - poof - gone. And they had NO connection to the feminine sign of life.

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:23 pm

I STINK AT ACRONYMS. It took me quite awhile just to figure out that TPTB meant 'The powers that be'. I hate Acronyms. It sure doesn't help that I'm not a text message guy. Perhaps I should get some help ASAP. santa
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:40 pm

Hello only child,

What you're not getting is what I'm trying to tell you. First off, whether or not I believe any of this stuff is pure assumption on your part. Second, I'm only trying to say that symbolism carries a lot of weight and information if one cares to look at things more carefully. A case in point? your symbol in the corner of your posts. To me it is a pretty fair representation for the Sun worshipers as well as the Father/Sun, Mother/Spirit, Son/Child idea of other cultures. Like I've stated before, we are a pattern-oriented species and the enigma locks nearly all of us, including you.
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Thu Dec 23, 2010 9:44 pm

Hello steven8,

Acronyms took me a while also, such as the extremely rare KAOM (keep an open mind). I think I invented it 3 yrs. ago on an Astronomy Forum. Those guys are smart.

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:57 am

You know, it's funny. A question of total disclosure has turned into a religious forum, and I have also read and see the sense in the belief that disclosure would cause religious people to question their faith, yet when I said something along those lines to a friend of mine, he couldn't understand why proof of extraterrestrials would cause that. Simple, I said, our basic religion is that we are Gods only children, and proof of beings from elsewhere may cause some to doubt what they have always believed. I was just as amazed that he couldn't see how it could cause this.
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:17 am

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I just finished reading the book Disclosure by Dr. Greer and it is a eye opener for sure. If you haven't read it you should as he has been pushing for the Disclosure and has interviewed several top ranking people here in the states that have put their name up for lots of ridicule if they are't correct. Most of them have information on UFO's, power systems and how UFO's operate and one that could end all of the fossil fuel burning in the world. Zero Point Energy...it would also let man travel in outer space faster than the speed of light due to the conditions it sets in the molecule. making it lighter as the faster the object goes. It would be a God Send if this was all exposed and it might be if the right buttons were pushed.
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Fri Dec 24, 2010 11:56 am

[quote="glider"]Hello only child,

What you're not getting is what I'm trying to tell you. First off, whether or not I believe any of this stuff is pure assumption on your part.

OK, it sounded from the beginning of your post like you were defending something.



Second, I'm only trying to say that symbolism carries a lot of weight and information if one cares to look at things more carefully. A case in point? your symbol in the corner of your posts. To me it is a pretty fair representation for the Sun worshipers as well as the Father/Sun, Mother/Spirit, Son/Child idea of other cultures.

I agree to a point, however, that symbol (actually a representation of the goddess Tanit, as well as a much earlier usage as far back as Egypt) and its arrival in my life was deliberate. Although a "first hint" in the direction of Orion came in January of 2006, the focus on the nebula didn't begin until after August of 2007. You have to understand that my "experiences" have NOT been like everyone else claims. I have never been told ANYTHING ... all I have ever gotten since the mid-1950s were HINTS. Why? I have NO idea. This has been a literal scavenger hunt for meanings. For instance, I had no idea a topic on ET even existed - until I woke up one morning with a single line running through my head: The Alien Connection. Short story: I scratched my head - went to the book stores - what do you know, there was a subject on aliens.

My avatar connects to the base idea in the nebula picture like this:



This is ALL we need to focus on as it connects to the original sign of life we once knew about. Once we have that much clearly straight in our heads, THEN we can play with the big picture and see what we can find - because it doesn't matter - we have learned what we were supposed to learn.

Like I've stated before, we are a pattern-oriented species and the enigma locks nearly all of us, including you.

I agree, except that "someone" has gone out of their way to specifically point out "this pattern," and the history behind it - and I have no idea why ME. There are far more qualified people on this planet - I'm just a guy ... who should have lived a normal life. But nooo ... let's play "Find the Answer" for 55 years.

I posted this pic, but there was a story behind it:


I was bored as nothing had "happened" for some time. I was talking with someone and they said I should leave a note out and see if I got an answer. For grins and giggles I left out a sheet of paper and a pencil, but I wasn't expecting anything. What I did get was the above pattern on my steps to the outer building. I don't particularly care what people think, but the mathematical odds of that "just happening" in a random "pebble shoot" kicked up by the dogs (who weren't out at night) is so far off the charts - you can't even SEE the charts. Again, the focus is the sign of life ... I wonder why.

The Egyptians knew:


The Sumerians knew:


But yet, they changed everything - and we are in the mess we are in today because of them. Thanks guys
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:08 pm

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You know, it's funny. A question of total disclosure has turned into a religious forum, and I have also read and see the sense in the belief that disclosure would cause religious people to question their faith, yet when I said something along those lines to a friend of mine, he couldn't understand why proof of extraterrestrials would cause that. Simple, I said, our basic religion is that we are Gods only children, and proof of beings from elsewhere may cause some to doubt what they have always believed. I was just as amazed that he couldn't see how it could cause this.

The brainwash has gone on for 5000+ years - it begins when you are a child and THAT is the problem. I see it with my grandchildren and I remember my childhood "programming" as well. I remember to this day the first odd "thought" that blasted its way through my head at 5 years old, the morning after the "lit-up bedroom" event: "THE CATHOLIC CHURCH IS WRONG!"

I'll bite - what does a five year old do with THAT? After all of these years it makes complete sense: There is no "son" ... there never was until WE added it. The symbol, the sign of life, was the WOMAN ... period.
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Fri Dec 24, 2010 12:17 pm

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It would be a God Send if this was all exposed and it might be if the right buttons were pushed.
Don't hold your breath lol ...

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Sat Dec 25, 2010 2:40 am

Oh yes,
the great mass of stupid people doing stupid things.
Yet my senator sent me a christmas card. Watching them not do a thing is proof of what this country has become.
Instead of working for us, they believe that they should tell us what to do. Look at the poor pilot who pointed out the security lapes.
Six federal marshals to take away his gun. The life of a whistle blower seems to be short. Instead of correcting the problem they intend to correct the guy who pointed it out. Truly remarkable. Alien invasive surgery verse body cavity searches by minimum wage security.
Which would be more fun?
If a rapist serves his time (or at least part of it) should we understand that he has more rights then the victum?
What ever happened to a good old fashion lynching?
Why is the art of dueling lost? So much for honor. If you call the cad out he runs to the police and files charges.
challenge him to a duel and theres a warrant out for your arrest.
Slap him in the face and you get to see bars.

Of what significance is may 21, 2011? The earth mother, the giver of life plays no role in our lives.
What ever happened to picking the dumb guy to carry the message to god?
Yet the human race, like lemmings to the sea, rushes forward to it's doom. No one seems to care.
Only child says the change is almost apon us. We shall see. A higher order of intelligence with space travel.
We shall see.

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Sun Dec 26, 2010 1:26 pm

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Oh yes, the great mass of stupid people doing stupid things.

(As OC looks out the window and watches the blizzard arrive ... )

There is a picture here that, while on the surface I will tend to agree with you, has two sides - and quite frankly, I have YET to understand it. People, regarding this subject, do tend to follow the bouncing ball of stupidity in thinking, and I do not exclude myself from this picture as I learned that lesson the hard way.

The question that still bugs the crap out of me after all these years is WHY, if someone has something to say, do they not JUST SAY IT? The Clovis culture had no connection to the symbol of life (what we call the Mother Goddess carvings) C 10,000 BC ... and they died. Meanwhile, the so-called fourth world began where the symbol was, on the other side of the globe.

Glider made reference to information buried in symbolism, and the idea of symbolism carries over into speech as well, and we call it figures of speech. In the Hebrew book of Genesis, in the "garden of Eden" scene, God says that of every tree of the garden they can freely eat, HOWEVER (and here comes the symbolism), the "tree" of the "knowledge" of something called "good and bad", they could not "eat" because if they did - something was going to happen. Now, "good and bad" references the idea of a choice, with the implication that once upon a time there WAS NO CHOICE. Things simply WERE what they WERE, and nothing was good OR bad (no choice).

Our history, regarding the one piece of information we are missing, was rewritten. Uh-oh ... that doctrine was now EVIL / BAD / WORTHLESS. It was replaced by an intense worship of the biggest "ball of light" in the sky: the SUN. Later, the personality was removed from the sun (because now "sun worship" was - bad) and set somewhere in the sky - you couldn't see him - ever - but, he's out there - somewhere. This belief snowballed over and over as each explanation was considered "bad" - and replaced by another which was "good", until we arrive at today, and we all know what THAT looks like.

Sooo ... what about the "dying part" of the Genesis story, where if you eat of the tree of the knowledge of good and bad - you die?

If we realize that the word DIE in this picture combines the imperfect form of the Hebrew verb, with the infinitive absolute form of the same verb, we can get a translation into English that flows better if we stop being literal. "For as soon as you eat of the knowledge of good and bad, you shall be doomed to die".

Now the arguments in this picture always revolved around the more literal translation we know (For in the day that you eat of it, you shall SURELY DIE / Dying you shall die), and people always said: But they didn't die. Oddly, death is in the picture we are dealing with - IF (let me repeat that - IF) - "IT" (as in IT IS COMING) is doom. What are we trapped in? We are trapped in arguments that the THINGS people say are right or wrong, which is another way of saying GOOD and BAD. If TSHTF - what do you do? You don't know. What if you are supposed to get on a landed craft? You won't. What if they "beam you up?" You'll die of a heart attack. We have eaten of the tree of the knowledge of choice, in this case good and bad - we are doomed to die unless we wake up.

We are being left to figure this out - and I have NO idea why. For 37 years my "experiences" have followed the exact same path - no one has explained ANYTHING ... I was left to follow the clues. Something is coming - and we are not ready. At the rate we are going, I don't see anything but an epic failure.


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Of what significance is may 21, 2011? The earth mother, the giver of life plays no role in our lives.
What ever happened to picking the dumb guy to carry the message to god?
Yet the human race, like lemmings to the sea, rushes forward to it's doom. No one seems to care.
Only child says the change is almost apon us. We shall see. A higher order of intelligence with space travel.
We shall see.

All we need to do is trust them ... and prepare mentally. What is coming? No idea. We aren't being given any details ... for a reason. Ever get picked up in a taxi? What do you know about the driver? Not a thing - but you still go lol!

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Sun Dec 26, 2010 8:38 pm

Hello only child,

You have written much to this Forum and I have been fortunate enough to have been the recipient of a few along the way. You have a message and, to the extent that it is clear to you, passed it on. That is what we are supposed to for each other, our children, grandchildren etc.. But this, your most recent, I have to say is clearly and without doubt your best one. Thank you.

I too have spent much time mulling over the WHY question. WRT regard to the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil the only thing I can come up with is that at the moment a decision was made to separate one's self from a certain type reality to some other type there was an intractable change that took place. It could mean the moment humans reached a point of self awareness that did not exist when humans were still just animals- without self reflection ("they hid themselves" and "who told you that you were naked?) and therefore needed nothing more than what Nature provided. However the Story also indicates a capacity for immortality but that may be because animals do not consider a future as part of their daily comings and goings. Also the pain of childbirth became an issue so changes in how the brain percieves pain could be an indication of some evolutionary changes sudden or otherwise.

Humans do have a knack for over-complication given the chance as a mechanism for feeling empowered and for control. But the Tree itself is the where the issue really is. One's decision to pay it a visit says much and evidently changes everything and somehow severs one's connection to the whole of existence- even to Truth, or one;s perception of it at least. I go along with all your musings and can empathize. It's good to know at the same time I havn't been the only one. I didn't really think that was the case but connecting the dots by one's self is rough going is it not?
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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Sun Dec 26, 2010 9:52 pm

glider wrote:
... but connecting the dots by one's self is rough going is it not?
Actually I enjoyed it. It's people over the last year that have rattled me

With regard to what happened 5000+ years ago, the picture seems simple enough. The work Dr LaViolette has done showed that about 5300 years ago (maybe earlier) we were hit by a "minor" galactic superwave. This was the same event that hit 13,500 BC (+/-), only that event was a major event.

Anyway, in ONE SPOT on the globe panic ensued (Sumer and Egypt) for the simplest of reasons - human nature. When the superwave hits, the galactic center shines in the sky; it was visible 5300 years ago, albeit dimmer. They put 2 and 2 together, believed it was a repeat of the major event, waited for "help" to come ... and, no one came. There was no reason to come as it was a minor event - but, they had nothing to compare it to, and so, freaked out.



The "goddess" was given a back seat, a husband, and a child. The upgraded version of the symbol of life from about 10,000 BC became the Ankh as we know it, and everything went straight down the tubes.

I believe there is a direct connection between the found Sumerian disc ...



... with the dating of a meteor / comet / asteroid airburst explosion, June 29, 3123 BC, and the story of the Destruction of Mankind. I believe this event was used to prove to themselves that they were right. Ra was being insulted, he was getting old (which meant the concept had been around for awhile), and he sent his "eye" in the form of Hathor (the sky) to destroy the evil people.

We are simply the result of an innocent (in the beginning at least) screw up. It's the snowball effect over the millennia that has made it into what we are dealing with today.

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PostSubject: Re: What if?   Wed Dec 29, 2010 12:37 am

Glider is correct.
This is by far your best! I truly believe that you have been gently nudged in this direction all along. While I am convinced that we are now headed in the direction of understanding. I think it maybe that the knowledge that you have so pain fully acquired is to be interpreted by some one other than yourself. I have a grasp of the knowledge that you have expounded upon, but I feel that there is more needed to make the "connection" complete. It is not that I am the one to do the interpretation, but this I am sure of there is one or perhaps two here who will. the only question then is the interpretation the correct one? I feel that YOU will know it when it is presented, it will then click. You will then sssofh. (Smack self smartly on fore head) It is by bieng too close to the information that you have lost the interprutation of the knowledge.
There is one point I would like to make though, "We are not ready." Who is the we? If you go to the Georgia stone's and read the inscription graved on the them, you will note a very detailed set of instructions for caring for this world with a vastly reduced population. They don't delve into how the population is reduced to this level simply that it is. The last science fiction movie that I saw had aliens harvesting humans.
Not to kill them but to take the ole graymater and put it into a new form. Not aliens but a more advanced Us. What indeed is to happen requires trust in them (who ever they are).
In communicating with you I have had to delve into my past to dreg up the words that I have not used in so long. I am a classic example of the dumming down of the American citizen. For that I am gratefull and am in your debit.

Dave(the knuckle head)fair


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