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PostSubject: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:48 pm

Is it just me but does anyone else find it offensive to liken 2 new ufo publications to 'porn'. These were the words of the co-hosts on the Future Theatre broadcast of August 14th. Am I wrong ? Listen to it yourself, it comes very near the beginning of what I can only describe as being just a vindictive stab at 2 new publications. If these 2 new magazines are like 'porn' then why don't the co-hosts mention them by name.

I just think it's a disgrace and those involved should hang their heads in shame.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Sun Aug 15, 2010 4:54 pm

What's the other one? Cool
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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:10 pm

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What's the other one? Cool

You'd have to ask the co-hosts of this iconic moment in internet broadcasting to which magazines they refer as they didn't have the guts to say who they were talking about. Spineless or what ?

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:18 pm

Well, I'm completely unaware of any new UFO publication, other than yours, Mantle. If there is another offering around, I'd love to know about it.

Incidentally, Fortean Times, considered one of the best in the business when it comes to weird phenomena, is glossy and full-color. The pages are thinner than UFO Matrix, however, but i don't think that was the point.

I have no aversion to newsprint magazines, but it is a bit low to bash you for putting out a color glossy. Aren't many respected science rags, color glossies? New Scientist? Once again, thinner paper, but was that really the point?
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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:23 pm

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Well, I'm completely unaware of any new UFO publication, other than yours, Mantle. If there is another offering around, I'd love to know about it.

Incidentally, Fortean Times, considered one of the best in the business when it comes to weird phenomena, is glossy and full-color. The pages are thinner than UFO Matrix, however, but i don't think that was the point.

I have no aversion to newsprint magazines, but it is a bit low to bash you for putting out a color glossy. Aren't many respected science rags, color glossies? New Scientist? Once again, thinner paper, but was that really the point?

I'm guessing, and it is only a guess, that they other one referred to is OpenMinds. I've only seen the first issue of this and it was glossy, looked great, very informative, and a credit to its editor, its publishers, and more imnportantly in my mind, to ufology.

Why should UFO publications be the poor relatives of the magazine market ? But please don't take my guess as correct, ask the illustrious co-hosts of the radio show in question.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Sun Aug 15, 2010 5:42 pm

Mr. Mantle, how well do you think a newsprint magazine would fare on UK newsstands? Because I often buy different UK import magazines, and it seems like the magazine market is doing better over there than it is here.
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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:16 am

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Mr. Mantle, how well do you think a newsprint magazine would fare on UK newsstands? Because I often buy different UK import magazines, and it seems like the magazine market is doing better over there than it is here.

It could do well but I'm no expert I'm afraid. NEXUS has kept it's head above water for many years and long may it last.

Our publisher wanted something different. He wanted a quality publication in both production and content. No editorial bias. I think/hope we have gone a long way to achieving that with UFO MATRIX but there's still room for improvement. Why should a UFO magazine be the poor relative of the magazine industry ? Simple, there's no reason why it should. In my opinion, and that's all it is, both UFO MATRIX and OpenMinds have raised the bar in this regards and they are a welcome breath of fresh air and long may they last.

If those on the forum want to know what all the fuss is about UFO MATRIX will be acailable in a significant number of Barnes & Noble and Borders stores in the USA by the end of August. If your local store does not stock it they should be able to obtain it for you.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 2:31 am

I am pretty sure they were speaking in reference to the colors. It was a frickin' joke because UFO Mag is b&w and Sepia, that is why food porn was included (think JC and c2c). Get over your persecution complex Philip -- it was just joking around and that is even if it was UFO Matrix they were speaking of. Really "UFO porn" and you don't get that it is a joke? I would bet that everyone else did.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:29 am

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I am pretty sure they were speaking in reference to the colors. It was a frickin' joke because UFO Mag is b&w and Sepia, that is why food porn was included (think JC and c2c). Get over your persecution complex Philip -- it was just joking around and that is even if it was UFO Matrix they were speaking of. Really "UFO porn" and you don't get that it is a joke? I would bet that everyone else did.

Defending the indefensible is all you are doing Lesley. I know the difference between what is a joke and what isn't. This is no joke. You know it, I know it and so do the 'jokers'' on Future Theatre. I suppose calling these other unnamed magzines 'lousy' was also a joke ? If it's nothing more than a joke why not name the publications to which they were referring ?

The only people who have a complex Lesley are the people trying to run down other magazines in an attempt to elevate their own. It won't work. Never has and never will.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:43 am

I don't have the time or inclination to argue with you, but if it won't work and never has -- why are you bothering with it? If you don't see "UFO porn" as funny, I can't hope to argue the point.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:52 am

Ah, yes. 'UFO Porn.'

Well, I certainly look forward to the next riveting, peer-reviewed, installment of The Proceedings of the Royal Academy of UFOlogy, Vol. XXVIII, No. IX, pp. 1084-1239. Should be a real page turner.
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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 3:56 am

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Ah, yes. 'UFO Porn.'

Well, I certainly look forward to the next riveting, peer-reviewed, installment of The Proceedings of the Royal Academy of UFOlogy, Vol. XXVIII, No. IX, pp. 1084-1239. Should be a real page turner.

You can bet on it! Laughing

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:12 am

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Ah, yes. 'UFO Porn.'

Well, I certainly look forward to the next riveting, peer-reviewed, installment of The Proceedings of the Royal Academy of UFOlogy, Vol. XXVIII, No. IX, pp. 1084-1239. Should be a real page turner.

You can bet on it! Laughing

Will it be better than my advance copy of UFO Matrix, issue 2?

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 4:29 am

OMG! I thought of posting some of those alien sex photos, but decided not to. Glad you did! They are awesome!

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 5:56 am

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I don't have the time or inclination to argue with you, but if it won't work and never has -- why are you bothering with it? If you don't see "UFO porn" as funny, I can't hope to argue the point.

You have to listen to the whole piece and not take it out of context Lesley. It was a purely vindictive verbal assult on 2 as yet un-named new ufo publications. It is not a joke and not a laughing matter. Those responible should hang their heads in shame.

As for this kind of thing it is not I who is 'bothering with it'. This verbal rant was by the co-hosts of Future Theatre' and it just goes to show their true colours.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:52 am

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Is it just me but does anyone else find it offensive to liken 2 new ufo publications to 'porn'. These were the words of the co-hosts on the Future Theatre broadcast of August 14th. Am I wrong ? Listen to it yourself, it comes very near the beginning of what I can only describe as being just a vindictive stab at 2 new publications. If these 2 new magazines are like 'porn' then why don't the co-hosts mention them by name.

I just think it's a disgrace and those involved should hang their heads in shame.

Regards,

Philip Mantle.

Wow! Shocking! But, at least they didn't go into how it's likely cancer causing...


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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 8:57 am

Philip, just to let you know that I did not take any offense to the words UFO porn. I thought it was funny and the discussion also mentioned food porn and others. I think we are all victims of our own thoughts. I would really like to see you have some happy thoughts again.

When I start having negative thoughts, I start thinking about all of the people living day to day with less than I have, and with more important things like survival, to worry about. They wake up everyday and go about their lives, and don't think about how their lives suck. They go about their lives with a smile on their face because they choose to do that. I think they lead very productive lives in comparison to those who dwell on the negative. I worry about the stress you are causing yourself to have and it is not healthy.
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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:02 am

...Just treat it as another opportunity to burp and giggle about your obviously superior magazine, Mr Mantle... I mean, it must be superior! It's glossy and in full color, like a Playboy, or even a Penthouse. Wait! What?Rofl!

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:03 am

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OMG! I thought of posting some of those alien sex photos, but decided not to. Glad you did! They are awesome!

Now that is funny. I wish I'd thought of a cover like that (laughs).

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:06 am

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mantle1958 wrote:
Is it just me but does anyone else find it offensive to liken 2 new ufo publications to 'porn'. These were the words of the co-hosts on the Future Theatre broadcast of August 14th. Am I wrong ? Listen to it yourself, it comes very near the beginning of what I can only describe as being just a vindictive stab at 2 new publications. If these 2 new magazines are like 'porn' then why don't the co-hosts mention them by name.

I just think it's a disgrace and those involved should hang their heads in shame.

Regards,

Philip Mantle.

Wow! Shocking! But, at least they didn't go into how it's likely cancer causing...


I was wondering how long it would take you to stick your nose in. Still talking utter bollocks I see. Reassuring to know that some things never change.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:08 am

WIlhelm wrote:
Ah, yes. 'UFO Porn.'

Well, I certainly look forward to the next riveting, peer-reviewed, installment of The Proceedings of the Royal Academy of UFOlogy, Vol. XXVIII, No. IX, pp. 1084-1239. Should be a real page turner.

I guess you'll not be reading UFO MAGAZINE then (laughs). Just a joke Lesley. :
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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 9:11 am

mantle1958 wrote:
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mantle1958 wrote:
Is it just me but does anyone else find it offensive to liken 2 new ufo publications to 'porn'. These were the words of the co-hosts on the Future Theatre broadcast of August 14th. Am I wrong ? Listen to it yourself, it comes very near the beginning of what I can only describe as being just a vindictive stab at 2 new publications. If these 2 new magazines are like 'porn' then why don't the co-hosts mention them by name.

I just think it's a disgrace and those involved should hang their heads in shame.

Regards,

Philip Mantle.

Wow! Shocking! But, at least they didn't go into how it's likely cancer causing...


I was wondering how long it would take you to stick your nose in. Still talking utter bollocks I see. Reassuring to know that some things never change.

Regards,

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At least I'm not waffling! Rofl!

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 10:44 am

Alfred Lehmberg wrote:
...Just treat it as another opportunity to burp and giggle about your obviously superior magazine, Mr Mantle... I mean, it must be superior! It's glossy and in full color, like a Playboy, or even a Penthouse. Wait! What?Rofl!

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Thank you for finally admitting it is superior. Personally I don't think I've ever said that. Reassuring to know though. It is full colour indeed, and glossy. Just like FOCUS or even the Fortean Times. Burp, giggle and drool all you want old boy, but there's no getting away from the fact that no matter how many attorney's letters we get or how much it is attacked on internet radio, it is an excellent magazine and a welcome contribution to ufology. Here's a quote from yet another satisfied customer: "James Beeson - Philip - congrats on UFO Matrix 1 - it's a tremendous, balanced, intelligent mag."

I rest my case m'lud.

Funny how you and Lesley always end up sticking up for those thast are really responsible for all this.

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I forgot to add. You are indeed still waffling.
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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:18 pm


I can't speak for Lesley though I suspect she feels the same way...

You presume I believe that Bill and Nancy are guilty of some misdeed. Swing and a miss, Mr. Mantel. I do not. Not remotely. You use an imagined unwarranted transgression to prosecute cheap publicity for your periodical. I'd heard you've done that before. That's the long and tall of what's going on here, eh?

It remains that the Birnes have earned my loyalty, Sir, and I hope you come to experience the same from your writing colony. I hope you earn it as they have, with appreciation, consistency, respect, and intelligence.

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PostSubject: Re: Future Theatre August 14th - 2 new ufo mags likened to 'porn'   Mon Aug 16, 2010 1:24 pm

Alfred Lehmberg wrote:

I can't speak for Lesley though I suspect she feels the same way...

You presume I believe that Bill and Nancy are guilty of some misdeed. Swing and a miss, Mr. Mantel. I do not. Not remotely. You use an imagined unwarranted transgression to prosecute cheap publicity for your periodical. I'd heard you've done that before. That's the long and tall of what's going on here, eh?

It remains that the Birnes have earned my loyalty, Sir, and I hope you come to experience the same from your writing colony. I hope you earn it as they have, with appreciation, consistency, respect, and intelligence.

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You couldn't be further from the truth if you tried. You are a mug to be the mouthpiece for the Birnes. More the fool you old boy. The day will come when I'll be able to say "I told you so" and you'll be livid. You probably will never admit it, but you'll know I was right. Mug, mug, mug, mug. That's all you are.

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