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PostSubject: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Tue Aug 10, 2010 8:48 pm

The following link is to a story by Channel 5, KSTP in Minnesota.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1690956.shtml?cat=127

It has been sighted 2 nights in a row. I'll be watching tonight and see if I can see it.
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Wed Aug 11, 2010 1:12 am

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The following link is to a story by Channel 5, KSTP in Minnesota.

http://kstp.com/news/stories/S1690956.shtml?cat=127

It has been sighted 2 nights in a row. I'll be watching tonight and see if I can see it.

Man that's great. Nice video channel 5 did a good job getting that one.
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Wed Aug 11, 2010 11:19 pm

Well, the latest scoop is that the St. Paul Police "speculated" that it was a weather ballon with LED lights on it. Funny thing is, that channel 5 is running with that now.

The "Above Top Secret" website has a blog that they say has completely debunked it. But as I said, SPPD stated thay "speculated" it was a weather baloon. Nobody has produced a daylight picture or video, or a close-up with a explaination saying "See, here it is, here's where the lights are mounted, this is the teather."
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Thu Aug 12, 2010 7:10 pm

Viewing the video I have to say something is not right about that scene. I just watched si-fi and they have this show fake or fact. They did an armateur forensic examination on a video which showed three lights in the night sky. First they used a helicopter that suspended three points of led light. It looked plausible but the helicopter was making way to much noise even when they ascended to a higher position. That ruled helicopters to suspend lights.

They again tried the lights thing but this time they suspended the contraption from a lighter than air balloon that was 100 feet above the lights which by the way was not LEDs this time, but red flairs. The contraption was hooked to a vehicle with a winch that let the contraption out and behold, it looked just like three Erie lights in the night sky.

Wait a minute now. I don't fully agree with this since the eyeball can detect a balloon in the night sky if observed at a relative distance. So they may have indirectly concluded a made to order fact but that still does not fit the testimony of witness account.

I suspect this video is made to play and someone with the camera is in on it. The lights acted like they had a mechanical movement with never changing angle or move off to a new position or high or low.
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Thu Aug 12, 2010 9:19 pm

The video was filmed by KSTP Channel 5 News, not a private person. There is however another site which has 2 videos from a non-media whitness.
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:21 am

*sigh* Nother update...

So, a few differant articles have come out on KSTP in regards to this. On their website, these stories tend to get a lot of comments. A few versions of this story has come out on KSTP.com, only to dissapear within a day or two. This story has not been covered by any other local news station.

So they came out with a follow up story after a ton of comments about how they did not investigate this (even though their camera crew fimed it) and find some sort of explaination. The follow up was that the Saint Paul Police "speculated" that the lights were from a weather balloon. So the comments to that story (which can't be found now) were to the affect of "show us the balloon and the person that did it."

Well, another follow up story. Here's the explaination;

A man attatched LED lights to several kites. They even showed a picture of him smiling as he held up 5 kites still in the packaging. But it gets better. When SPPD went to talk to him, they discovered he had a gross misdameanor warrant for his arrest! Seriously, you can't make this crap up...

Now if you saw the video, there are 5 lights (see above paragraph, 5 kites in their packaging). In perfect formation. They never move. One of their follow up stories mentioned, (also referenced in the comments) is that there was not even a slight breeze that night, so, no wind.

Ok, well that story as I said has dissapeared, along with the picture. But before the story went MIA, the comments, including one from myself, were to the affect "So on a windless night, 5 kites were flown in perfect formation by one of America's dumbest criminals to send a signal to SPPD to come and arrest him on his warrant?" Fantastic! Whinesses stated these lights were observed for over 3 hours, by the way...

Here's the new follow up story. It wasn't 5 kites. (They just happened to have a picture of "Captain Duh" holding up 5 kites in their indavidual packaging. Remember, there were 5 lights, picture holding 5 packaged kites. Correlation between the two? Maybe I'm paranoid or reading too much into this.) It was 5 lights on 1 kite string. So what were the other 4 kites for? Here's the link before that story goes bye-bye as well.

http://kstp.com/article/stories/S1707725.shtml?cat=0

Am I reading too much into this? What do you think?
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Sun Aug 29, 2010 12:59 pm

This video is highly suspect. If a media station videoed this, why is their vehicle with the station logo not in the scene and why no narration by the crew videoing this video with people just standing around, and if you notice, there is no wind or even a breeze moving the blond girls hair. There's no genuine excitement being displayed other than smoking cigarettes and casual acting. This is a publicity video for the station it aired on to get hits on its website and for channel surfers to tune in for more of the story.

How it was done: This is a classic case of a lighter than air balloon suspending a hoop aloft that has 4 LED array light groups and 1 strobe array LED attached to the hoop. The center LED is in strobe mode, the next two outer LEDs are in sequence flash mode so they appear to flash back and forth and together those LEDs can be bought for around 10 bucks each and simply are emergency flashers that you can mount to the front or roof of a car.

Here's an irritating video of LED lights you can tape on to a helium balloon and play with peoples minds. Notice how the remote can adjust brightness as well as color combination.







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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:42 pm

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This video is highly suspect. If a media station videoed this, why is their vehicle with the station logo not in the scene and why no narration by the crew videoing this video with people just standing around, and if you notice, there is no wind or even a breeze moving the blond girls hair. There's no genuine excitement being displayed other than smoking cigarettes and casual acting. This is a publicity video for the station it aired on to get hits on its website and for channel surfers to tune in for more of the story.

How it was done: This is a classic case of a lighter than air balloon suspending a hoop aloft that has 4 LED array light groups and 1 strobe array LED attached to the hoop. The center LED is in strobe mode, the next two outer LEDs are in sequence flash mode so they appear to flash back and forth and together those LEDs can be bought for around 10 bucks each and simply are emergency flashers that you can mount to the front or roof of a car.

Here's an irritating video of LED lights you can tape on to a helium balloon and play with peoples minds. Notice how the remote can adjust brightness as well as color combination.









They film outside of my work (a major level 1 trauma center) all the time and their vehicles are never in the shots. Aside from their big doppler radar weather trucks, almost ALL news media vehicle in the twin cities metro are unmarked and white. Camera crews are never in the videos, and the reporters aren't in every video story when it's their "raw video." They also showed "raw video" from two police officers funeral prcessions, that killed in the line of duty in the last year. No reporters, no camera men in the videos.

The police supposedly found the guy with kites, not balloons. If it was a balloon, why say it was kites? I've seen lights in the sky that I can't explain, and I wasn't jumping around screaming "Holy $H!t, what is that!" I looked quietly with curiosity. I know what LED lights are, I work (as I said) for a major level 1 trauma center with a large EMS service and I'm also a part time firefighter/EMT, they're on all of our vehicles.
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:43 pm

This video is from a contributor who roves the streets for raw footage to submit to the station for news. The scene was somewhat staged with the actors acting too casual for the event. Sure, maybe you're a cool observer who remains quiet when no one else is around but look again at that video. There's a range of people with different ages. Men, women, girls, boys and kids. Somebody should be excited and voicing that excitment. No, none, and there was no wind to keep a kite up in the air, no emotion from anyone on camera or off. This video is a dead give away it was pre-arranged to arouse curiousity from viewers to tune into the station for more info. Thats why the story was pulled several times as you noted. No other station touched it because they know its smells funny.

The guy with the kite story is just that, beside obviously being wanted by the law. The event was done with a helium balloon, a hoop and led arrays set to strobe and flash. Someone in a park near by or at a home rolled out the balloon contraption and sent it aloft with the lights for the station contributor to video it and send it in for web hits and talk around town.

Its plain to see why no other station picked this up.
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Sun Aug 29, 2010 9:22 pm

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I mean no offense, but I just do not understand where you keep getting the balloon idea from. Even a balloon will move around in the air, tethered or not. The lights are in a constant diaginal formation, which if it were a tetherred balloon, the formation would suggest a wind direction. There was no wind.

If it was a balloon, why not just say it was a balloon? Why say they were kites? To hide the fact it was a balloon? That doesn't even make sense. They both achieve the same thing, that is to say "it wasn't a UFO, it was (whatever)?" And as far as ratings go, it wasn't even a blub on their broadcast right away. They seem to have been trying to steer away from the story more then anything...
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Sun Aug 29, 2010 11:18 pm

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I mean no offense, but I just do not understand where you keep getting the balloon idea from. Even a balloon will move around in the air, tethered or not. The lights are in a constant diaginal formation, which if it were a tetherred balloon, the formation would suggest a wind direction. There was no wind.

If it was a balloon, why not just say it was a balloon? Why say they were kites? To hide the fact it was a balloon? That doesn't even make sense. They both achieve the same thing, that is to say "it wasn't a UFO, it was (whatever)?" And as far as ratings go, it wasn't even a blub on their broadcast right away. They seem to have been trying to steer away from the story more then anything...


Read the comments on the video page and you will see doubt in st paul. The balloon trick is done with a dark balloon lifting a contraption with led lights. A comment reported " We were tossing things in the air at it when the st. paul police department showed up. The police officers were stunned and couldn't explain what we were seeing either. They shined their flashlight at the object and we could see some kind of "line" or wire near or heading towards the object. On the way back to my house we followed the "line" a little bit and noticed that it was higher than all electric poles/lines and didn't run in the same direction. The next morning I went out to follow the "line" to see what it was and where it was coming from and it's gone! I've been looking for it ever since and can't find it." If no wind, then the balloon stays motionless but I did see a star behind the lights stay still as the lights moved sideways.

This could be a kite but if no wind, how did it stay up. Maybe a kite and balloon combination?
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Mon Aug 30, 2010 12:21 am

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I mean no offense, but I just do not understand where you keep getting the balloon idea from. Even a balloon will move around in the air, tethered or not. The lights are in a constant diaginal formation, which if it were a tetherred balloon, the formation would suggest a wind direction. There was no wind.

If it was a balloon, why not just say it was a balloon? Why say they were kites? To hide the fact it was a balloon? That doesn't even make sense. They both achieve the same thing, that is to say "it wasn't a UFO, it was (whatever)?" And as far as ratings go, it wasn't even a blub on their broadcast right away. They seem to have been trying to steer away from the story more then anything...


Read the comments on the video page and you will see doubt in st paul. The balloon trick is done with a dark balloon lifting a contraption with led lights. A comment reported " We were tossing things in the air at it when the st. paul police department showed up. The police officers were stunned and couldn't explain what we were seeing either. They shined their flashlight at the object and we could see some kind of "line" or wire near or heading towards the object. On the way back to my house we followed the "line" a little bit and noticed that it was higher than all electric poles/lines and didn't run in the same direction. The next morning I went out to follow the "line" to see what it was and where it was coming from and it's gone! I've been looking for it ever since and can't find it." If no wind, then the balloon stays motionless but I did see a star behind the lights stay still as the lights moved sideways.

This could be a kite but if no wind, how did it stay up. Maybe a kite and balloon combination?

That's kinda what I'm talking about. When you put all of the information together, whitnesses, comments, news stories, rumors from cop buddies, it doesn't add up or make sense.
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PostSubject: Re: Night time sighting, St. Paul, MN, filmed by local news media   Tue Aug 16, 2011 2:39 pm

Exclamation I live in California now but I grew up in Duluth and I saw one when I lived there many years ago. I think it was in 1971. I finally reported it to MUFON a few days ago. No video but a lasting memory. I never reported it to "authorities" because they just lie and insult your intelligence. The old "weather balloon or experimental military craft" bs.
1) Weather balloons are unmanned and don't follow people around at night.
2) If the military has the technology to build a craft like the one I saw, they wouldn't test it over a residential area. They do that over the desert where nobody would see it. Besides Duluth is not in close proximity to any major military base.
After I saw it, I looked down and a skunk walked out of the bushes and walked with me all the way to my house and kept going. Obviously more afraid of the object in the sky than it was of me. I've never been so happy to see a skunk. Rolling Eyes
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